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Everyone loved when you took clones cost out of the game CCP, and we all rejoiced when you decided to remove the standing requirement for installing clones in HS/LS Stations.

Why are you taking a step back and adding costs to something that your players praised you for and are happy with?


Make Citadels JC service great by giving them unique features ( like being able to in-station JC without triggering a cooldown that you already announced ) that justify their cost, but don't go around nerfing everything else in the game just to widen the gap.

Maintaining a cloning bay in a Citadel will cost whatever you say it will cost. You can make it cost 157M ISK per month, or 157b ISK per month, or nothing. If you want, you can even make it earn the station owner 157M ISK per month just by existing.

This is a completely arbitrary number that is determined by you devs, and nobody and nothing else. You may have some reason or the other why you feel that having a bay should cost owners that much. Fine, let's hear that reason then so that we can evaluate it against the proposed charge for jump cloning.

But to pretend that jump cloning has some sort of necessary "physical" cost associated with it, as if all this is not simply a game that you are coding exactly the way you want to, is just absurd. If your cost estimate derives from some arbitrary consumption of resources and energy in game that you have decided upon, then the resulting price is still just as arbitrary as what it was derived from.

Yes because defending hundred of POCO across hundreds of systems that could be attacked 24 hours a day 7 days a week for the price of a war dec is certainly comparable to defending ONE citadel that is only vulnerable for a few hours a day (or however the owner puts the timer) with weaponry that will more than likely be actually useful for defending it.

Yes you are correct that these two items are comparable.

I'm not saying it would be easy, but it would be easier than POCOs from a logistics and organization standpoint.

Even if it is not goons, it would take a large entity to do what CCP is wanting done.

Hang on, members of big power blocks are getting free clone jumps, while Newbie McHighsec pays 5 mill per go?

I'm not sure this is such a good idea. Malcanis' law may exist, but there's no reason it needs to be actively enforced.

My only question is why "medium" citadels can't fit market module while they have the pg/cpu for that. like on the pos there is no restriction for modules (except high/low sec and sov)

It's all pretty nice and reasonable except for three things:
1. Paying 5 mil to clone jump away from an NPC station seems a bit steep. It would greatly hurt new players who aren't connected enough to know of good citadels for their clones. Also the whole model of paying to jump out of a place seems really weird. How about a recurring "rental fee" to maintain each inactive clone? That would be more friendly to new players who won't have as many clones, while also not penalizing use of the system so much.

2. Increasing taxes won't move most trade to citadels. Serious traders will never move most of their business to citadels unless they have absolutely nothing to lose if the citadel is destroyed or the owner hikes taxes. That means all assets would have to be easily available at a nearby location for free or a very small fee if the citadel were destroyed, and it would have to be possible to cancel all market orders and move everything out with minimal time or isk expenditure.

3. Increasing taxes will hurt the whole market. Unless there's an extremely easy and safe way to bypass the tax increases, they will eventually hurt everyone. First of all, it will make business a lot less profitable for station traders who keep the buy and sell orders up so everyone else has easy access. That means less orders for uncommon items because of higher brokers fees, and a significantly higher margin between buy and sell prices for common items. Second, it penalizes manufacturing because taxes have to be paid on both the raw materials and the finished product. Raising the cost of transferring items just ends up hurting everyone who doesn't already have everything they need. The rich stay rich, the poor stay poor, and almost everyone gets more annoyed.

If the general increase in taxes and fees is about the isk sink, it's really not the right place to look. Other ways to reduce inflation while improving gameplay instead of hurting it include having NPCs sell more useful items and/or services, making NPCs drop usable loot instead of bounties, making insurance pay back materials or salvage instead of isk, etc.

The cost is the fuel required to run the clone service module at the citadel on a monthly basis. It is not a made up number.

sounds like a toning the costs down issue

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Just build your own Citadel and set tax to 0 for yourself problem solved.

No limit to JC in station / removing timer when swaping clone in same station.


Bad changes? lol this is amazing for pvp. go on small Nano Roam with snakes / than swap for crystals for solo and than swap for slaves into bigger fleet or whatever.


Looks perfect for me ^^

5m per jump is crazy for NPC jumps and why do they have to recoup their cost? If I put up a POS now it cost me isk and you're not doing anything now to help me recoup my monthly fuel cost? Have a JC bay is a convenience and if you want that convienience then a corp / alliance needs to take that into consideration and determine if they want to offer it.