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Why don't they scale the clone cost based on SP?

If you have 5m SP or less -100k ISK per clone
and after say 50m SP it costs the 5m ISK

Yeah it's not like we just got rid of scaling clone costs or anything

Stop tyring to punish players just because they have been around longer

Don't you have things a little bit backwards here? Right now jump clones are a flat rate for everyone, no matter how likely it is they are able to pay for the service. Anyone who has been around a while is more likely to have a decent isk reserve, as well as have a means to make isk faster than a new player has. Blow up five battleship-class rats in nullsec and you have your fee paid for. For a new character this likely means an hour or 2-3 of orbiting asteroids or running missions.

Same with the increased broker fees and sales tax. Anyone who just starts out will be hit by the full 2.5% and 6% respectively, at the time when your isk reserve is at its tightest. Sure, you can train skills to lower that but at that specific time you will also need skillpoints - and isk - more than ever to do... about everything else really. This is not "Punishing players who have been around longer". This is simply pricing according to ability to pay.

The new players that are spending 2-3 hours mining (much more than 5 mil btw) are not the ones using jump clones very often hell they probably don't even have the skill

I would like to add my voice against these proposed changes.

Any charge to use jump clones is a step backwards.
The medical clone costs were described as something that had to go when that change was made. Charging to use a jump clone is just as bad. Players jump clone because they want to play the game, they may be undocking for a fight or switching for incursions or exploration or whatever. CCP needs players to want to do things in game; charging 5 million isk for every jump to a different clone is a punishment for wanting to play the game. If one can jump clone in a citadel without any timer restriction, then let the player (or the citadel owning corp/alliance) decide if the cost is worth it. And CCP needs to consider why they are designing that cost to be so exorbitant in the first place.

The refining tax conversion from minerals to isk is a good thing for citadel and outpost owners, but it does put the burden on one of the more maligned activities in eve, and the one profession that is never recommended by veteran players as a way to get rich. The bankrupt player can always get more minerals in even a rookie ship; owning the hard asset of the minerals does not mean that character has liquid isk for refining. PI does tax the player for isk before the asset can be sold; so there is precedent for this type of charge. This change isn't as bad as the jump clone charges. Mining will go on; but it does seem sort of elitist to
deliberately favor a richer class of player over the poorer.

The citadel expansion design seems to be working backwards. Instead of looking for new features; it is starting with new punishments. Look at some of the old POS threads; there was a market for safe public research facilities for bpo research/invention if it would lower the costs and time compared to npc stations (especially when station research slots were limited.) The old code never allowed that to be done with a public research POS. That public market could still exist for citadels (especially for long ME 10 jobs when one does not wish to risk a POS.) CCP can add things players want, something over what is already in game (such as letting the supercarrier pilots out of their space coffins); not punish everyone to force using citadels. And if the cost of a citadel has been designed too high for the benefits it provides, there is time to redo that designed cost, none have been built yet.

This last dev blog was really disappointing. The much-hyped citadel expansion is now being presented as a tax increase for everyone for everything on the market, and a new cost for using jump clones, and not a single citadel has even been built. As a Jesus feature, this is already putting the citadel expansion right there with the infamous captain’s quarters and walking in stations.

So it's OP to have a base the most OP faction in the game can't destroy or deny access to?

Ironic, to say the least.

5 million isn't a ton of money by itself, rather this is a recurring cost, per character, basically per day.

Let's presume I play 5 days a week, and have two alts. I jump every day to do another activity - i.e. the point of jump clones.

That's 3.12 billion a year that I didn't need to pay last year. That's over three billion isk worth of ships that I won't be buying and un-docking with, three billion worth of ships that won't need to be built. Now project that across many people who share the same nomadic life sytle - It's a lot of ISK removed from building content and put into nothing.

It disproportionately hurts the small groups which are driving so much of the content in New Eden, at a time when they need help, not another kick to their wallets and convenience. Large groups for the most part have already shown themselves to be poor stewards of content; this is another change that barely effects them and is downright oppressive for small entities, who actually are driving content.



And you nail this one down. It's true - If you aren't trying to dock a super, if you aren't in a WH, Citadels do absolutely squat to your gameplay, and these forced design changes to try and push their relevance where it doesn't belong. Making new features relevant should not necessitate completely gutting other features.

I think you are projecting just a bit here.

If they add new stuff, like player run in-game casinos, or citadels are instrumental in building stargates, or Citadels let you have your own corp LP....great! Fantastic! It's the fact that the as of now product that is shipping removes existing functionality just to retain relevance that makes it unsound at best. Functionality which upon removal, is a net bad thing for the game overall.

Big blocs, as stated, are terrible stewards of content. Giving them all the keys to content and power is suicidal for a game like this - history is a fine teacher here.

You mean the stats where an M Citadel does 30 DPS to a T1 cruiser? Those stats?
Sure in Null they are ok vs Subcaps, but in Null it's titans getting dropped on your head instead. And Caps will take the citadel firepower just fine especially with the new modules.
It's all about how big a blob you can drop on a citadel, and if it's bigger than the other guys by more than about 1 or 2 ships, you will win. The Citadel itself isn't going to make enough difference, especially in highsec with it's super limited subcapital launchers.

In high sec, nothing. You will just get a generic "This corporation does not permit you access blah blah standings" message. In highsec it can't attack you if you are not a valid target, meaning you are at war with the owner, or have aggression on the structure. In turn, you cannot attack it without being killed by Concord unless you are at war with the owner.

In lowsec, nullsec, WH space it can be set up to free-fire on anyone who does not fit the profile set up by the owner. Do not poke it with a stick.

As far as knowing in advance if you can dock, dunno, CCP has afar as I know not said if there is a docking indicator, but I would guess it will be shown somewhere in the display information.