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Lowsec Gate Camping

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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2016-03-04 10:53:00 UTC
Only tools die to gate camps.
I can tell.

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Nitshe Razvedka
#42 - 2016-03-04 12:58:33 UTC
Eugene Kerner wrote:
Only tools die to gate camps.
I can tell.


You obviously have not done much FW, the Good the Bad and the Ugly all die to gate camps. When a big FW fleet is up we will gate camp a whole system. Letting in prey only to seal off exits. Unless you have cloaks or safeties within the system you are going to be hunted/scanned down and die.

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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#43 - 2016-03-04 19:18:13 UTC
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Eugene Kerner wrote:
Only tools die to gate camps.
I can tell.


You obviously have not done much FW, the Good the Bad and the Ugly all die to gate camps. When a big FW fleet is up we will gate camp a whole system. Letting in prey only to seal off exits. Unless you have cloaks or safeties within the system you are going to be hunted/scanned down and die.


Camping Gates was probably invented by us.

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Jacques d'Orleans
#44 - 2016-03-06 08:11:00 UTC
Eugene Kerner wrote:
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Eugene Kerner wrote:
Only tools die to gate camps.
I can tell.


You obviously have not done much FW, the Good the Bad and the Ugly all die to gate camps. When a big FW fleet is up we will gate camp a whole system. Letting in prey only to seal off exits. Unless you have cloaks or safeties within the system you are going to be hunted/scanned down and die.


Camping Gates was probably invented by us.


Sorry mate, but that was m0o back in the days
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#45 - 2016-03-06 11:51:02 UTC
98040 wrote:
I've been playing this game since 2003. That's 13 years for you, math genius. I know all the tricks.


Actually, you've been cowering in an NPC corp since 2006, so I doubt you've played Eve at all.

98040 wrote:
Don't embarrass yourself.


You mean embarrass himself by talking like a particularly immature 12-year old?

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#46 - 2016-03-06 13:09:49 UTC
Wow.


Scumbags who don't even get out of their starter corp for 10 years don't even deserve to be allowed to post on the forums. Or do anything else, for that matter.

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StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
#47 - 2016-03-06 13:44:04 UTC
Im starting to doubt that this even happened. Ive been to Jan thousands of times in my career and never once have i been targeted and shot at for no apparent reason. The residents there are super friendly and would have probably welcomed OP with open arms had he initiated a convo with anyone ongrid. Theres plenty of time too, considering the 30 seconds of free cloaking you get after jumping a gate.

Again, i doubt this even happened. Forum alt post. No killmails. Boring story. Lies of lengthy career yet has no knowledge of cloak mwd win button.

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#48 - 2016-03-06 14:34:18 UTC
13 years in this game and you haven't figured out that posting and whining on an NPC alt (anywhere in the forums really, but especially in See and Pee) makes you look like an incredibly cowardly and petulant child? Seems like you need to lurk for another decade or so.

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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#49 - 2016-03-06 21:51:08 UTC
Jacques d'Orleans wrote:
Eugene Kerner wrote:
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Eugene Kerner wrote:
Only tools die to gate camps.
I can tell.


You obviously have not done much FW, the Good the Bad and the Ugly all die to gate camps. When a big FW fleet is up we will gate camp a whole system. Letting in prey only to seal off exits. Unless you have cloaks or safeties within the system you are going to be hunted/scanned down and die.


Camping Gates was probably invented by us.


Sorry mate, but that was m0o back in the days


Don´t know whats wrong with eve gate but TDG exists since 2003-08-21.
m0o infact "invented" gate camping between Mara and Passari 2 months before that.

...but what can I say...where is m0o now?
We are still here.

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Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#50 - 2016-03-06 23:49:04 UTC


You lost your destroyer in a place called "lowsec" and you have determined that there was inadequate security.

Clearly, this was a dev oversight.


There should be more warnings in place to keep people like you out of low.



Trevor Dalech
Nobody in Local
Of Sound Mind
#51 - 2016-03-07 04:11:16 UTC
Even the best of us (of which I am not one) die to camps occasionally. Part of the game, and reason for the rule: don't fly what you can't afford to lose.

My last loss to a camp I lost a 500m or so stratios. I congratulated the campers on littering the gate with so many cans, wrecks and corpses that not only was my stratios unable to cloak, but my frame rate dropped to nothing. I did NOT go to the forums crying that corpses needed to be nerfed.
Areen Sassel
Dirac Angestun Gesept
#52 - 2016-03-07 04:58:12 UTC
StonerPhReaK wrote:
Theres plenty of time too, considering the 30 seconds of free cloaking you get after jumping a gate.


60 seconds, if you'll forgive me saying so.
Jacques d'Orleans
#53 - 2016-03-07 09:21:08 UTC
Eugene Kerner wrote:
Jacques d'Orleans wrote:
Eugene Kerner wrote:
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Eugene Kerner wrote:
Only tools die to gate camps.
I can tell.


You obviously have not done much FW, the Good the Bad and the Ugly all die to gate camps. When a big FW fleet is up we will gate camp a whole system. Letting in prey only to seal off exits. Unless you have cloaks or safeties within the system you are going to be hunted/scanned down and die.


Camping Gates was probably invented by us.


Sorry mate, but that was m0o back in the days


Don´t know whats wrong with eve gate but TDG exists since 2003-08-21.
m0o infact "invented" gate camping between Mara and Passari 2 months before that.

...but what can I say...where is m0o now?
We are still here.


I know, i was just saying and no offense was intended.
Smitty Uitra
Smitty's FUC n' Hauling
#54 - 2016-03-07 09:57:52 UTC
98040 wrote:
What efforts are being made to balance lowsec gate camping?

It is far too easy for pirate criminals to camp. These days all you need is a couple of frigate logi and you're good. WTF is that about?

It used to be that to solo tank a gate gun setup you needed uber skills and a wicked ship. Back in the day the only thing that could do it was a Rattlesnake. Now every pussie ship with a remote rep setup can sit on a station or a gate and interdict at will. If you're not traveling with advanced scouts, cloaked, or in a 3000 m/s ship, you're dead.

Pirating should be a real profession, but at least make them work against the game for it.

The imbalance is real - most people who are traveling intra-Empire are doing so as a solo pilot. If every .4 gate has a camp of some kind, the players who don't belong to large corps (think: small business) are just getting pulverized.


Way too easy. Incredibly one-dimensional.

Not my main. Who cares.



So I took some time the last few days and did some traveling through low. Hit some FW systems did a lot of jumping from high sec to low sec. Saw a lot of gatecamps. I didn't die. Got really close from a smart bombing camp. I really don't see what your issue is other than not planning ahead. Maybe you should make friends with the people that occupy the low sec you travel through so you don't have to make pointless posts about how things are unfair. I wouldn't want CCP seeing this and nerfing it the way they are about to nerf watchlists.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#55 - 2016-03-07 10:33:42 UTC
The list of ships that can EASILY avoid ANY LowSec gate camp includes, but is not limited to:

1: Any Frigate fit for sufficient agility to have a <2sec align time. This is possible pretty much when you create a character.
2: Any T3 Destroyer.
3: Any CovOps ship able to warp cloaked, this includes BLOCKADE RUNNERS.
4: Any ship fit with both a Cloak and a hull-appropriate sized MWD, as linked previously, this includes BATTLESHIPS if you can use the MWD/Cloak trick.

I've spent a fair bit of time camping the Nourvukaiken gate in Tama. A known gate-camp hotspot. I'm constantly amazed that we can be there for over an hour (and rolling drunk by that time) and people will still jump blingy ships through unscouted.

NOTE: I'm usually found in an Arty-Insta-Thrasher (with friends) on that gate. No prop mod. No tank. Just lock speed and damage mods. All you have to do to kill any or all of us is get a point on and survive long enough for the gate guns to do the damage for you.

We had a tackle Keres take us all out a while back. He was fit purely with points and tank. He tanked us while the gate guns destroyed us. One Keres, six dead Thrashers (already replaced, didn't want that Thrasher anyways).

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StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
#56 - 2016-03-07 23:16:09 UTC
Areen Sassel wrote:
StonerPhReaK wrote:
Theres plenty of time too, considering the 30 seconds of free cloaking you get after jumping a gate.


60 seconds, if you'll forgive me saying so.


I Stand corrected. Thanks M'lady.

Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.

JacenSolo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#57 - 2016-03-08 01:47:21 UTC
98040 wrote:
What efforts are being made to balance lowsec gate camping?

It is far too easy for pirate criminals to camp. These days all you need is a couple of frigate logi and you're good. WTF is that about?

It used to be that to solo tank a gate gun setup you needed uber skills and a wicked ship. Back in the day the only thing that could do it was a Rattlesnake. Now every pussie ship with a remote rep setup can sit on a station or a gate and interdict at will. If you're not traveling with advanced scouts, cloaked, or in a 3000 m/s ship, you're dead.

Pirating should be a real profession, but at least make them work against the game for it.

The imbalance is real - most people who are traveling intra-Empire are doing so as a solo pilot. If every .4 gate has a camp of some kind, the players who don't belong to large corps (think: small business) are just getting pulverized.


Way too easy. Incredibly one-dimensional.

Not my main. Who cares.

I guess i would have to disagree. "back in the real day" you had to spend hour on end making bookmarks for your route to ensure you made it to the gate and not 15km away.
Im not saying i like it but it is what it is.
Professor Humbert
Project Fruit House
#58 - 2016-03-08 07:11:43 UTC
Erm.. if you have a couple of logi frigs in your camp, it's not a solo camp.
And if a job that one rattlesnake could do solo now requires a couple of logi ships, you can't say camping has become easier.
Veik Hemah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2016-03-11 13:54:03 UTC
There is a very easy way to break gatecamps in lowsec.

Drop a butt ton of supers and titans on them, usually does the trick.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#60 - 2016-03-15 11:42:26 UTC
Veik Hemah wrote:
There is a very easy way to break gatecamps in lowsec.

Drop a butt ton of supers and titans on them, usually does the trick.


True.
Come again...I suggest a different System than Hakonen next time though....

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