Science & Industry

Welcome to free market economy where is everything, including demand, is made by players. There is no overproduction in Eve. Last month, 5502 vexors died, and yet there are 5129 vexors on the market right now. People dumping stuff on the market is a que for you to buy it out and resell. If you want to sell bulk, try mailing list called Wholesale Trading.

You also ironically overlook ''trader buy outs'' as a false indication of demand before suggesting doing just that. Not to mention the reason those very buy outs are possible is due to low balers derived from over production. I would not suggest the majority of low balers are clueless when it comes to profit margins. More likely they are traders pulling out of what is going to be a lengthy sell process and taking the loss due to the profit margin not justifying the sale time scale. Some people willing to do trade wars or hold out at the lowest possible profit rate will ofc make isk but with a lot more work and a lot more volume required. Most ''genuine'' industrialists (I use that word loosely) will not find production profitable time investment in it's own right.




Producing in smaller batches is something I have been doing. I did not allow myself to get sucked into the mass production on low profit margin side of it because you easily stand to lose out as so many clearly are already. The margins are too tight and people are too impatient thus dump it. As the skill barrier is so low to moderate for most of eve theirs always a fresh cycle of new people bulk producing, finding out it sucks.. then dumping mass amounts of items they've excitedly over produced in a last ditch effort to recoup some of the investment.

Ammo yet again as a base example. With mediocre skills you can invent on 3 lines and produce in another 3 on a continues cycle making some 100-150k t2 or some 200k+ t1 ammo per day casually. The only bottle neck is buy orders of the required production products. At any major trade hub acquiring the more expensive items do not have much bottle neck while they can use sell orders for the less expensive items that may.

You don't need to run any more numbers than that. Even at a conservative 50K t1 or t2 ammo per day that is more than you personally could use in any one day thus more than any other one person could use. As it stands, one person can produce enough ammo per day in optimal conditions to supply upward of 5 daily mission runners, easily.

They seriously need to fix the production ratios so that with max skills you stand to sustain a max of yourself and one other person per day in ammo amount and modules. As a basic example 20k cruise missiles or arty t2 is enough to sustain two people for a day (even that would still be too much because not everyone mission runs all day to use that bulk). With modules a similar strike can be met. One industrialist would stand to produce 2x t2 small mods per day with low skill. As his skills increase he can then produce 2x medium mods and further on 2x large mods.

With such a system one single industrialist can no longer mass produce items for far more people than is required. Larger corps would then have to split jobs and components etc between more corp members rather than one person or a few being able to do the majority of it all for the masses.

I would also suggest a component line item cap. For example one production line is specifically for ammo. Another for modules, another for components and another for ships. This would mean a player can no longer simply fill up every production slot with a single item (like multiple t2 ammo prints) and flood the market. With the advanced production skill sets perhaps he can buy skills books that allow him to specialize more into one item type and open up an extra production line for said item, etc.

I actually hope so.

The smaller components is another example. Yes met5 and R5 are a fairly lengthy train at first glance, until you realize they unlock the ability to fully research every component bpo I've cared to check up on. That cuts out any possibility that a player looking to produce components can make profit on them. Their are many various component types that IMO should be specialized into separately so that a player has to choose between that or using trade to acquire them instead. Atm it's a no brainer. Train those skills to L5 and do it all yourself.

Further more you don't even need to train and research those bpo's to produce them cheaper than are sold, or the ones I make atleast.

So what of the idea in limiting people to production line types? as in one for ammo, one for t1 mods, t2 mods, components, ships, pocos? etc.

I think it would be far better than allowing some guy to fill all production slots with as many ammo types or rig/mod types as he has. Collectively over the player base and more people like him, that floods market far too easily and very unpredictably.

With a single line cap you would have to look at the market and make a prediction call on what type of mod is best to make for that day/week. Maybe scourge hams are selling really well that week? I'll build some of those. Or.. I'll anticipate other industrialists thought just that so I'll predict and avoid the flood, I'll make explosive instead that are selling at lower volume but far less competition. That alone will help separate bad industrialists from the good.

Currently bad industrialists are spam building things blindly.. realizing they have failed too late.. then dumping it all on the market at low prices which then punish industrialists who actually know what they are doing. They will still be able to do that but at-least they are limited to one single line per item type then.
Before it is stated, often the ''dump'' prices are not worth the buy up effort when you factor in tax and added time to sell them on. Add to that the conveyor belt of people who fked up or gave up, dumping their goods.. you will get caught out by it. Besides, if I wanted to do that I would do it properly with actual buy order station trading and better margins/less risk.

Ah great, guess I'll do something else till then. Thnx.

That seems like an over reaction. I should add that, while I'm not really happy with where production is right now, I can't say I'm really suffering the problems you're describing.

Even with the incessant downtime yesterday, I've still done just shy of 1.1 billion in sales in the last 24 hours. Margins varied from 9% to 45%, and, in aggregate, averaged 19.6%. All material prices calculated as the sell-order price on that, btw.

In fairness, some of that sat for a while before lower-priced inventory cleared out, but I also have an atypically low amount of inventory up for sale right now (the limiting factor, there, being that I'm lazy). There are always a few things waiting for oversupply to clear out, but spread across 70-100 different items, it's just not that big of a deal, provided you yourself have not overproduced a dog item.

To me every game where crafting is fighting the npc loot is bad...

I would like npc to not drop functionnal stuff but to drop modification item that you eventually plug in T1 item to obtain the actual equivalent of meta level 1+ item (lower CPU / lower PG / lower cap consumption / better range ...)
This way you didn't decredibilize T1 manufacturing !
and each race could have special modification:
amarr would drop PG bonus mod
caldari -> CPU
etc...
so if you want a gun with low PG requirement, you will plug in an amarr mod for example...

With this kind of mecanism:
- missionners/ratters would still have things to loot and sell
- industrilaists would not compete with missionners for stuff to sell

Production time is a thing, but not the only one!