Ships & Modules

While at least if you're spitting at them, SOMETHING is hitting them. From my own experience, even a legion with scorch loaded is suboptimal for C2/C3 WH's, and an AC ship can just go home as well (unless its a mach or vargur... the only 2 decent AC PvE ships). And while the battleships can web and neut at 40km, there are also cruisers that can web and neut at 20, which are going to be just as big a pita as the battleships because they are faster and still want to run away. Do you keep null loaded all the time and call scratching at 30km "good dps"?

-Arazel

You slipping? sixth turret is a 200mm railgun

I am not a Wormholer but I would perhaps do this.

[Proteus, C3 Proteus]
Corelum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Corelum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Centum A-Type Energized Reactive Membrane
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer

Large Capacitor Battery II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Imperial Navy Cap Recharger

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors


Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

As for other PVE, a Proteus can do any level 4 it is just a matter of efficiency so use it if you want. I am almost max skilled for it and amongst other ships including Ishtar, Hype the Proteus (Blaster) is my first choice for serpentis missions. Two slot tank and lots of DPS. I vary between a micrwarpdrive and afterburner depending on the mission. Some single pocket missions such as duo of death or if there are webbing towers then I will use the hype. But for worlds collide, extravaganza, vengeance, blockade etc I use the Proteus. Being damped is not as much of an issue if you are planning to be up close

PVP wise it is very flexible with gank or active tank and an overheated 18km scram and web to match is very handy.

Wrong.

Changing NPCs effect ALL T3. Reminde, Mini and Amarr use missile too. And Gallent use the same damage type (kin) as main damage.

Easiest (maybe not the best) fix: remove one/two rocket launcher slots from some Tengu Offensives And tweak some Tengu Deffensives to disable this insane tank abilitys.
So instead of changing 10000xxx NPC ... just change maybe 4 T3-systems -> much less work to do -> much less risky to fail

But I would prefare to boost the other T3 :).
Legion:
- get right of this stupid cap/level for laser bullshit and add flat 25% more cap to all engineering subs
-- add 5% damage to drone and covert sub
-- add 5% tracking to liquid sub (with 25 m³ drones it would do far to much damage else)
- add 25 m³ drone bay/band to all engineering subs (AND remove 25 m³ from the drone offense to secure balance!)
- tweak electronic subs Tactical Targeting and Dissolution -1 med +1 low


PS: this way you can get:
- 7/3/7 liquid offensive with 690+99 = 789 dps Legion (biggest improve are the 5 drones to get a bit better operation against frigs). ALL T2 with conflage (8.6 opti + 6.5 falloff)!
- the drone sub might reach the 650 DPS (now pur T2 ends at 544 DPS)
- Covert offens gain +99 DPS from the drones + ~90 from new 5% bonus =~ from 383 to 574 DPS which is a BIG increase
PPS: forgot assault offense :)
- +99 DPS from 5 small drones =~750 dps

Tosh. A well-fit Legion with C-Type repper can out-dps a Tengu in C3 anomalies. In my corp we actually tried it out. I took almost a minute less to complete a Fortification Frontier Stronghold than an equally skilled corpie in a similar fit Tengu. However - the Oruze Construct, he was quicker (I coudln't get into range quick enough). He was also faster on the Solar Cell and I was quicker on the Outpost Frontier. I was also quicker running the FFRD and FFQO mag sites by almost 4 minutes. We dind't test the radars.

We chalked it up to insta-dps and insta-swap range. Plus apart from the usual triple damage mods, I could run dual tracking comps.

Familiarisation with the 4 anomaly types and the 4 different mag/radar sites can help you to be closing on an imminent spawn in a timely fashion. It takes practice, that's all.

What it really boils down to is your playing style. Tegus are praised because they're n00b-friendly, have a huge forgiving tank and spit dps out for miles. But - Sleeper-fitted they're also fat, slow and boring to fly. Take your pick. I personally prefer to move about a lot. It also makes it more difficult to be ganked.

FYI since the reintroduction of Sleeper neuting, solo Proteus blaster fits cannot and do not work in C3 sites (anomalies yeah maybe). They get webbed, scrammed, neuted and they die. Period. I haven't tried a railgun fit yet but even if I do, there is no way in Hell I could afford twin A-Type reppers on it, Liang :)

Good info there, I've heard similar reports but they were mostly hearsay, and I've never personally seen a Legion at work in anoms, only suffered serious penis envy for Tengus.

I'm training a Legion booster alt, but thanks to you she will now have to learn to shoot as well :)

Solo, nobody in a C3 uses drones. They get primaried, and they go down very fast. Once you've lost them, you've lost your ability to kill scramming frigates quick. Without tracking computers you won't be able to out-dps the Sleeper rr with your blasters.

For all four anomaly types, you need about 55% cap stability to tank Sleeper neuting (assuming you don't **** up the triggers). But that's not the issue

The single most difficult obstacle for the Protues is webbing. No amount of EFT-warrioring will fix that. Not dual props, not huge dps, nothing.

Here are some quick stats:

Sleepless Upholder BS - neuts you from 70km and orbits at 70km.
Sleepless Defender BS - webs you from 30km and orbits at 19km

Awakened Upholder Cruiser - webs & neuts from 40km and orbits at 30km

Apart from last spawn of Oruze Contruct and the 2nd spawn in Outpost Frontier Stronghold, there are webs in every wave - up to 5 of them, each knocking 60% off your speed and in many cases staying well out of blaster range while taunting you to put out Hammers so they can immediately switch targets and pwn the poor blighters.

You'll only be able to complete anomalies by warping out & in (there's a scramming frigate in the Solar Cell anom, so be extra careful in that one), and it will take forever.

So blasters are out. Big dps they might have, but they simply can't apply it. Rails are still up for discussion but I fail to see how they can really stand up against T2 heavy mssls or Scorch-fit Pulses or 425 AC's.

That said - the Proteus MWD/Blaster fit is fine in anomaly-farming gangs of two or more. Once you have at least two ships on the field, Sleepers pretty much stop aggressing drones altogether. But forget about using a Proteus in any of the mags or radars in anything less than a gang with logi. They just melt if they get primaried.

@Roime - I use a Legion booster alt with T2 ganglinks and a dps Legion alt with c-type repper & TC, which allows it to two-shot scram frigs on approach. It can "solo" anoms in 12-14 mins and mag/radars in 25. It's a winning combo. So keep on those armored warfare skills, the T2 links are awesome :)

This is false. I used Hammerheads on my C3 Sleipnir and they worked fine.

-Liang