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Increasing Return - SP Injectors vs Pure

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Clrdark4se
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-02-24 03:59:33 UTC
I was listening to some Podcasts today. People were talking of, "Player Disfigurement" as a penalty for using SP Injectors. My opinion, that is a bad idea. Not the penalty part, just the disfigurement part. Simply based on vanity reasons, I admit. Maybe a bad idea for other game reasons, player opinions, etc...

However, the idea of giving a player "punishment" for using a SP Injector gave me the idea of "Increasing Returns" for those players who do not use SP Injectors. Just a meager example;

+1 Learning boost on all "Pure" pilots?

Again, this is just a very rudimentary, super simple, start of an idea. A boost to training may not be feasible at all. But I do like the idea of rewarding a pilot for not "SP Boosting"

Does anyone think this would be a good idea? Or too early/late to introduce such a idea?

Opinions? Cool



Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#2 - 2016-02-24 04:09:48 UTC
Way too late to introduce it.
And also a bad idea, since it means once you boost you have to boost forever periodically.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#3 - 2016-02-24 15:04:51 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Way too late to introduce it.
And also a bad idea, since it means once you boost you have to boost forever periodically.

To me having to boost forever because you have once simply sounds like an excellent consequence for using these things.

Having stated that, I do agree that this idea is not a very good one at this point simply because I wonder if CCP has tracked ALL of the characters that have injected SP using these. If not then those who have used them prior to the implementation of this idea would essentially be given a free pass on the consequences of having used them and that would be unfair to the rest.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#4 - 2016-02-24 15:39:13 UTC
Nah I like the disfigurement one of like to see how well the community treats known heavy users
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2016-02-24 20:50:31 UTC
Why do so many people think these things need a consequence?
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#6 - 2016-02-24 21:06:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
I don't know. There is a certain "Bioshock" feel to it, that I can totally feel. But CCP is going to want to provide incentives to pay for the service. So I don't see anything happening.

Just accept that the days of guesstimating a character's relative SP based on creation date are over.

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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#7 - 2016-02-24 21:13:33 UTC
Rowells wrote:
Why do so many people think these things need a consequence?


Because players feel that they should have some kind of reward for playing faithfully for years too, not just some new guy with a lot of money to spend on upgrades.

I feel that too. Before a player could look at their SP and know that their SP was what set them apart from the players that came and went. I was one of the comers and goers. So I've become annoyed every time I return to eve and realize I should have kept my account active.

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#8 - 2016-02-24 23:23:04 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:

To me having to boost forever because you have once simply sounds like an excellent consequence for using these things.

Having stated that, I do agree that this idea is not a very good one at this point simply because I wonder if CCP has tracked ALL of the characters that have injected SP using these. If not then those who have used them prior to the implementation of this idea would essentially be given a free pass on the consequences of having used them and that would be unfair to the rest.

But it destroys the supposed point of SP injectors which was to allow new players to get over that initial 'I have no skills' hump.
And turns them into a Vet only item even more than they already are.
Clrdark4se
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2016-02-25 04:30:02 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Way too late to introduce it.
And also a bad idea, since it means once you boost you have to boost forever periodically.


Ty all for the opinions. Good answers. I also agree, too late to introduce this, let alone anything, at least for a while. This idea and thread have me thinking Idea and I very much appreciate the opinions

But I do not understand this part. Why would you have to boost forever or periodically?
Clrdark4se
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2016-02-25 04:47:18 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Nah I like the disfigurement one of like to see how well the community treats known heavy users


I have to admit, I am initially against the idea of a "disfigurement" idea/penalty, but not opposed to a penalty in some form. I am also not opposed to no penalty at all.

The main part of my idea was based upon people wanting a punishment for using injectors, which to me, means if there is a punishment for using, there should be a reward for not using, or nothing at all either way.

TBH...the users paying soooo much for these items, is just about punishment enough Shocked
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#11 - 2016-02-25 05:30:39 UTC
Of course, you would also need to introduce a consequence for extraction as well: slower learning speed until the extracted amount of SP has been replaced.
To time gate the injectors you would have a similar consequence: until the SP injected was 'earned' time wise, the learning speed is reduced.

Overall, while I do not like the entire injector/extractor situation (it detracts a certain quality about the characters in EVE) why penalize people for doing that?

The cosmetic aspect of using injectors might be entertaining - give them glowing eyes or something. ;)

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Barrett Fruitcake
Doomheim
#12 - 2016-02-25 08:23:00 UTC
Why are players so silly?

Asking CCP to do this is like asking a drug dealer to turn their users over to the Old Lady's Council of Approved Pastimes.

Get over it mother hen, players are going to do things you don't like in this game.