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Dev blog: Overlays, ISK Buyer Amnesty and Account Security

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Emrys Alf
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
#281 - 2016-02-25 03:41:30 UTC
The functionality of overlays with click through is part of the Windows, Macintosh and I Linux core and has been so for a while.
It is what allows for the previews that one sees on the bottom of your screen and a bunch of other tricks.

IsBoxer is not the big issue Ontopreplica is as it is free, very easy to install and makes a lot of sense for the modern real-estate challenged dilemma of wanting to see more than what your working on. A YouTube video, your mail, TS, and a billion other useful things. It gives the user the freedom to control what they want to see on their desktop.

Ontopreplica for the ultimate eve online AFK experience

This is where the world is..

So to come out with a ruling that tries to stop the flow of time and forbid what is part of the system but really can't be limited/controlled I believe is the wrong direction.

Removing broadcasting was a rational move and set a simple president. One click/key press per action so it should not matter if someone had built their uber screen with buttons and displays of fuel, weapons and so on.
Spcius Patrouette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#282 - 2016-02-25 04:50:04 UTC
15 pages. still no response from CCP. cool.
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#283 - 2016-02-25 04:58:52 UTC
Spcius Patrouette wrote:
15 pages. still no response from CCP. cool.


Have you ever dealt with CCPs support?

This is Eve, dude. Have patience! They will respond eventually. Maybe. In a few weeks, or so.
Spcius Patrouette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#284 - 2016-02-25 05:05:53 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
Spcius Patrouette wrote:
15 pages. still no response from CCP. cool.


Have you ever dealt with CCPs support?

This is Eve, dude. Have patience! They will respond eventually. Maybe. In a few weeks, or so.

Oh no doubt, its just that they specifically said they would be responding is all.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#285 - 2016-02-25 05:10:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Spcius Patrouette wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
Spcius Patrouette wrote:
15 pages. still no response from CCP. cool.


Have you ever dealt with CCPs support?

This is Eve, dude. Have patience! They will respond eventually. Maybe. In a few weeks, or so.

Oh no doubt, its just that they specifically said they would be responding is all.

I think most of these posts says they will respond, and then you see 300+ pages with nothing.

Not news.

Proxay wrote:
Why are we all sitting here trying to reinterpret the bible when the author can just write a quick post going "Yes", "No", "Whatever, quit". Seriously CCP, where the hell are your community liaisons.

Because they're not going to. What're people here going to do about it?

Post a lot, probably.

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Agata Matahari
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#286 - 2016-02-25 05:22:14 UTC
Well, today ima go buy some hundred bills of ISK on ebay. After transaction I will send CCP time, place and name of seller ingame and can keep the ISK? Cool!
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#287 - 2016-02-25 05:31:53 UTC
Proxay wrote:
Chalithra Lathar wrote:
Proxay wrote:
See this? This is the kind of **** that shouldn't be possible in EVE, it allows one player to control 11 Algos' in PVP simultaneously, allowing for outcomes that shouldn't be possible.
what is drone assist.
He wasn't assisting drones.
Yes he was. If he tried to do this without drone assist, using overlays and passthroughs and the like he would have been crippling himself since none of his other ships have guns and there's no faster way to get the drones going than drone assist.

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Lt Shard
Team Pizza
Good at this Game
#288 - 2016-02-25 06:55:01 UTC
Oh good thing I have multiple monitors so I can triple box with extreme effectiveness

Sucks to be you, single monitor plebs! Roll
Masao Kurata
Perkone
Caldari State
#289 - 2016-02-25 07:03:07 UTC
Emrys Alf wrote:
IsBoxer is not the big issue Ontopreplica is as it is free, very easy to install and makes a lot of sense for the modern real-estate challenged dilemma of wanting to see more than what your working on. A YouTube video, your mail, TS, and a billion other useful things. It gives the user the freedom to control what they want to see on their desktop.


OnTopReplica's click forwarding doesn't even work with EVE (at least it didn't when I tested it) and seriously OnTopReplica just offers exactly what you get with multiple monitors... except worse because it's obscuring other windows.
Koenig Yazria
Adversity.
Hisec Miners
#290 - 2016-02-25 08:30:09 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
Spcius Patrouette wrote:
15 pages. still no response from CCP. cool.


Have you ever dealt with CCPs support?

This is Eve, dude. Have patience! They will respond eventually. Maybe. In a few weeks, or so.


Totally something you want to do when you make a announcement out of the blue saying that you will ban people based on very vague criteria.

Like what the heck CCP, is this subject so smelly already that no one wants to touch it with a stick ?



Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
#291 - 2016-02-25 10:28:35 UTC
Cynuu wrote:
Paying client for over 10 years for six accounts and definitely not happy with the overlay decision by CCP. CCP has cultivated the 3rd party application use for years, and it has been massively successful, and makes Eve one of the greatest games around.

But, now with this EULA change and the vagueness of a fortune cookie language, I am in doubt if the style of play I have been paying the game in for years now can be continued. The arrogance regarding not caring what the players are doing and only the server side logs being evidence is troubling to say the least.
Quote:
and frankly we don’t care
is never a statement that should be made by an organization that provides a service to paying customers.

Lest you forget CCP, I am the paying customer. I keep the lights on. There are many more like me to be sure, but if I am alienated, so may others. This is a game, and should be enjoyable to play, if you make it anything other than that, it is at your own peril.


Do you honestly think the for profit Company gives a shite what you customers think ?
Look at how they dealt with their customer representatives during 2015 and early 2016.
Their Corporate suit attitude is Greed and Hubris, with the monetization of skill trading Twisted
source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeXatquVqAc

Regards, a Freelancer

ps: has ccp leeloo rewritten this piece to, like the csm white paper, both the wordings are vague

Eve online is :

A) mining simulator B) glorified chatroom C) spreadsheets online

D) CCP Games Pay to Win at skill leveling, with instant gratification

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Miner Hottie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#292 - 2016-02-25 10:30:08 UTC
Koenig Yazria wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
Spcius Patrouette wrote:
15 pages. still no response from CCP. cool.


Have you ever dealt with CCPs support?

This is Eve, dude. Have patience! They will respond eventually. Maybe. In a few weeks, or so.


Totally something you want to do when you make a announcement out of the blue saying that you will ban people based on very vague criteria.

Like what the heck CCP, is this subject so smelly already that no one wants to touch it with a stick ?





It's nearly DT, so CCP should be waking up soon.

That doesn't guarantee a response, but it helps.

Also, CCP can we use a third party program and/or native functionality of some operating systems to tile and manage instances of Eve?

It's all about how hot my mining lasers get.

Light Raider
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#293 - 2016-02-25 10:57:07 UTC
Tristan Agion wrote:
Quote:
2. We may, in our discretion, tolerate the use of applications or other software that simply enhance player enjoyment in a way that maintains fair gameplay.

AS LONG AS it’s fair to everybody - neither you nor anybody else gets any unfair advantage – we are fine with it.

What's missing here is some kind of definition what might count as a fair advantage. Each and every third party tool I might use while playing EVE is of course aimed at giving me an advantage in the game. That's the very point of using said tool!

For example, Tripwire keeps track of my wormhole connections and the signatures I encountered. It would be more tedious, slower, and much less useful to do this by other means (e.g., pen and paper, or perhaps the built-in notepad). So compared with someone who does not use Tripwire I clearly have an advantage when exploring wormholes.

But is this an "unfair advantage"? Are you going to outlaw Tripwire? I really would like to know, since that's software I like to use in game.

And if you say that Tripwire is fine, then what about say the "Dscan Locator" tool in Pirate's Little Helper? Is that kind of "computer assisted" dscan analysis also fine?

And if you say that the "Dscan Locator" is indeed fine as well, then I really have no idea what you are talking about concerning "unfair advantage". Unless perhaps somebody has built an EVE PVP bot, or the like...

Please clarify. Seriously, you need to give us a much better idea where the line is with 3rd party tools.


CCP, can you please clarify us on the point about the use of these tools included EveEye, plus voice assist programs like "Voice Attack"?

Thanks
lost packet
Alpha Flight
Sev3rance
#294 - 2016-02-25 12:03:48 UTC  |  Edited by: lost packet
Figured my multiple EVE subscriptions would continue on until EVE died, with the lack of response from CCP regarding most of the questions in this thread, the chances are slim of continuing to part with real life time and money to continue EVE; I don'y actually play any other games either. I know I need to get out more :)

Scenerio 1:
I have a desktop PC upstairs with i7 processor, 32GB RAM, triple 27" monitors; most of the isues are fine simply due to the fact I can run multiple EVE clients on each monitor, while still being able to have other tools visible such as Mumble, vIntel etc.

Scenerio 2:
I have family/kids and obviously want to spend time with the kids (not too arsed about the misses, just kind of stuck with her). Sometimes she needs a break from the kids, or needs to go and get a shower, cook my dinner or something; requiring me to keep an eye on the kids, throw a stick or something for them to chase now and again, etc.

I have an i7 gaming laptop, which has a 17" screen. Set up the laptop downstairs, running ISBoxer for window management which enables the ability to have EVE client full screen, with 3 small reduced size clients underneath it, no dx nothing windows or other dodgy ****); this being a valid alternative for visible scouts/cynos. ISBoxer also has some great functionality allowing you to reduce the FPS to say 10 for inactive windows.

Conclusion:

So, CCP, a response on whether Scenerio 2 is valid, or if I have to consider:

  • Option A, throw the misses out, tell her to take her kids with her.
  • Option B, reduce EVE subscriptions as it would just be wasting money she can use to go and get her hair done, buy a pair of jeans or something.


If option A, any chance of a letter or email or something I can pass to my lawyer when she decides she's taking half of my ****?
Daugan
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#295 - 2016-02-25 12:07:46 UTC
As it stands CCP Falcon said we would be hearing back from team security on the subject, in this thread. That was almost a day ago at this point.
Koenig Yazria
Adversity.
Hisec Miners
#296 - 2016-02-25 12:37:24 UTC
lost packet wrote:

Scenerio 1:
I have a desktop PC upstairs with i7 processor, 32GB RAM, triple 27" monitors; most of the isues are fine simply due to the fact I can run multiple EVE clients on each monitor, while still being able to have other tools visible such as Mumble, vIntel etc.

Scenerio 2:
I have family/kids and obviously want to spend time with the kids (not too arsed about the misses, just kind of stuck with her). Sometimes she needs a break from the kids, or needs to go and get a shower, cook my dinner or something; requiring me to keep an eye on the kids, throw a stick or something for them to chase now and again, etc.

I have an i7 gaming laptop, which has a 17" screen. Set up the laptop downstairs, running ISBoxer for window management which enables the ability to have EVE client full screen, with 3 small reduced size clients underneath it, no dx nothing windows or other dodgy ****); this being a valid alternative for visible scouts/cynos. ISBoxer also has some great functionality allowing you to reduce the FPS to say 10 for inactive windows.



I have something similar setup as your laptop on my PC, although for me it was mainly to take load of my gaming laptop whose GPU isnt the most reliable and has enabled me to free up some of the coveted desk space.
Memphis Baas
#297 - 2016-02-25 13:31:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas


All I see is:

- the ability to move ANY part of the UI to anywhere on screen.
- the ability to cover up a large portion of the screen with other windows but still see the relevant parts you're interested in.
- the ability to zoom in CCP's ****** small fonts.
- miner not paying attention to local or the overview.

All 4 are good things in my book; none of those seems like an "unfair advantage."

EDIT: I'd use that to cut out the Local pilots list, because that's all I want to see / don't want to see the garbage people spew in Local. Every time I look at the stupid Local window and can't make it small enough to just display the list without additional space taken on my game screen, I want to send CCP a whole bunch of fffffff text.
Koenig Yazria
Adversity.
Hisec Miners
#298 - 2016-02-25 13:35:08 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:


- the ability to zoom in CCP's ****** small fonts.



Didn't use that software, but that is a hugely positive thing.
Monasucks
BLACK SQUADRON.
Get Off My Lawn
#299 - 2016-02-25 13:45:12 UTC
@CCP - where is the disadvantage when using tools for single monitors?
I don't have 2 or 3 screens with me, when I'm on the road in projects, and if I like to play even in the evening after work.. I usually got 1 screen from the laptop.. so.. Window management comes in handy.
Now with Windows 10 you even don't need anything 3rd party anymore as for casual play it fit's.. but still understanding your EULA it could be not allowed?

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Emrys Alf
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
#300 - 2016-02-25 14:28:02 UTC
Masao Kurata wrote:
OnTopReplica's click forwarding doesn't even work with EVE (at least it didn't when I tested it) and seriously OnTopReplica just offers exactly what you get with multiple monitors... except worse because it's obscuring other windows.


Features of current version

Clone any of your windows and keep it always on top while working with other windows,
Select a subregion of the cloned window:
Store the selected subregions for future use,
Now with relative subregions from the window's borders.
Auto-resizing (fit the original window, half, quarter and fullscreen mode),
Position lock on the screen's corners,
Adjustable opacity,
"Click forwarding" allows to interact with the cloned window,
"Click-through" allows to click through the cloned thumbnail (especially useful with partial opacity),
"Group switch" mode automatically switches through a group of windows while you use them,
Non invasive installation doesn't require administrator elevation.