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Drifters Quarterly Consultation Mixer

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#41 - 2016-03-03 23:43:21 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Ameriya wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Been there, accidentally erotically asphyxiated three Achuran interns, done that.

That's kind of hot. You had back up clones for them, right?

You think that if it makes you feel happier.


... okay, this is a weird thing to say, but--

Can people, I don't know, maybe, possibly, not use us as disposable sex toys? It's not like there are a lot of us around.

(Not that it would make it okay if there were.)


Can confirm I have never done so.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#42 - 2016-03-04 00:34:25 UTC
Jev North wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Been there, accidentally erotically asphyxiated three Achuran interns, done that.

The bad is you attempting humor. The worse is the attempt being limited to the word "accidentally."


Firstly, as a Caldari I was born without a sense of humour. Secondly, even if I did have a sense of humour I would never joke on here, the IGS, the vaunted pinnacle of intellectual discussion and philosophical dialectics between capsuleers in New Eden.


Kurilaivonen|Concern

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2016-03-04 02:08:37 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Jev North wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Been there, accidentally erotically asphyxiated three Achuran interns, done that.

The bad is you attempting humor. The worse is the attempt being limited to the word "accidentally."


Firstly, as a Caldari I was born without a sense of humour. Secondly, even if I did have a sense of humour I would never joke on here, the IGS, the vaunted pinnacle of intellectual discussion and philosophical dialectics between capsuleers in New Eden.




This is sarcasm right?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Kador Ouryon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2016-03-04 02:37:39 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Jev North wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Been there, accidentally erotically asphyxiated three Achuran interns, done that.

The bad is you attempting humor. The worse is the attempt being limited to the word "accidentally."


Firstly, as a Caldari I was born without a sense of humour. Secondly, even if I did have a sense of humour I would never joke on here, the IGS, the vaunted pinnacle of intellectual discussion and philosophical dialectics between capsuleers in New Eden.




This is sarcasm right?


Surely not. That would be edgy.

What fills the soul? Something that guides a lost child back to it's parents arms. Or waves that dye the shores of the heart gold. A blessed breath to nurture life in a land of wheat. Or the path the Sef descend drawn in ash. In the wake of fire.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#45 - 2016-03-04 02:40:23 UTC
Kador Ouryon wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Jev North wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Been there, accidentally erotically asphyxiated three Achuran interns, done that.

The bad is you attempting humor. The worse is the attempt being limited to the word "accidentally."


Firstly, as a Caldari I was born without a sense of humour. Secondly, even if I did have a sense of humour I would never joke on here, the IGS, the vaunted pinnacle of intellectual discussion and philosophical dialectics between capsuleers in New Eden.




This is sarcasm right?


Surely not. That would be edgy.


Whoa, whoa. We don't do THAT in Pyre Falcon. That OR sarcasm.

*wait for it*

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Kador Ouryon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2016-03-04 02:46:52 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:


Whoa, whoa. We don't do THAT in Pyre Falcon. That OR sarcasm.

*wait for it*


Good thing too... it's really a credit to you guys being the paradigms of sugar, spice, and everything nice.

What fills the soul? Something that guides a lost child back to it's parents arms. Or waves that dye the shores of the heart gold. A blessed breath to nurture life in a land of wheat. Or the path the Sef descend drawn in ash. In the wake of fire.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#47 - 2016-03-04 03:10:33 UTC
Kador Ouryon wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:


Whoa, whoa. We don't do THAT in Pyre Falcon. That OR sarcasm.

*wait for it*


Good thing too... it's really a credit to you guys being the paradigms of sugar, spice, and everything nice.


Seeing how things have developed, it's probably good that I left when I did.

... I do miss them, though.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#48 - 2016-03-04 08:04:41 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Jev North wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Been there, accidentally erotically asphyxiated three Achuran interns, done that.

The bad is you attempting humor. The worse is the attempt being limited to the word "accidentally."


Firstly, as a Caldari I was born without a sense of humour. Secondly, even if I did have a sense of humour I would never joke on here, the IGS, the vaunted pinnacle of intellectual discussion and philosophical dialectics between capsuleers in New Eden.




This is sarcasm right?


Not at all. I am always impressed by how deep, insightful, and meaningful the content is on the IGS. Truly, I post among those who each shape the cluster by the importance and relevance of their opinions alone.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#49 - 2016-03-04 18:18:14 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Kador Ouryon wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:


Whoa, whoa. We don't do THAT in Pyre Falcon. That OR sarcasm.

*wait for it*


Good thing too... it's really a credit to you guys being the paradigms of sugar, spice, and everything nice.


Seeing how things have developed, it's probably good that I left when I did.

... I do miss them, though.


We miss you too, Aria. But really, we're shooting the same TLF and Pirates that we ever were.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#50 - 2016-03-04 19:42:35 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Seeing how things have developed, it's probably good that I left when I did.

... I do miss them, though.


We miss you too, Aria. But really, we're shooting the same TLF and Pirates that we ever were.


Along with the occasional 24 IC, D'n'G, and PIE. I can see your killboards, Pieter. Maybe you were never actually friends of theirs, but....

Veiki explained your new contract pretty well, earlier. Unaligned salvage work-- combined with the usual ROE, which doesn't hurt salvage availability? If that's a contract, it basically reads, "Go make trouble for everyone."

I didn't care very much which side we fought for, before. ... I still maybe wouldn't. But the fact that you were fighting for something that could be described as constructive is a lot of why I came to you, to begin with.

Maybe I'd really have been okay with what you're doing now. I don't like that thought very much, though. It's not that I think you're particularly bad people, but I wanted to be a sword in others' hands, to be used for good reasons, even if I couldn't fully understand what they were.

I don't think I can see any purpose behind what PY-RE is doing anymore, Pieter-- aside from chaos, and the hunt. ... I'm sorry.

It still sounds like something I'd enjoy doing, though. ... I'm sorry for that, too.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#51 - 2016-03-04 21:17:44 UTC
Pirates will be pirates.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#52 - 2016-03-04 22:05:56 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Pirates will be pirates.


I guess.

I'd rather not be, though, so ... I guess that's one more reason for me to stay here for a while.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#53 - 2016-03-04 23:25:39 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Seeing how things have developed, it's probably good that I left when I did.

... I do miss them, though.


We miss you too, Aria. But really, we're shooting the same TLF and Pirates that we ever were.


Along with the occasional 24 IC, D'n'G, and PIE. I can see your killboards, Pieter. Maybe you were never actually friends of theirs, but....

Veiki explained your new contract pretty well, earlier. Unaligned salvage work-- combined with the usual ROE, which doesn't hurt salvage availability? If that's a contract, it basically reads, "Go make trouble for everyone."

I didn't care very much which side we fought for, before. ... I still maybe wouldn't. But the fact that you were fighting for something that could be described as constructive is a lot of why I came to you, to begin with.

Maybe I'd really have been okay with what you're doing now. I don't like that thought very much, though. It's not that I think you're particularly bad people, but I wanted to be a sword in others' hands, to be used for good reasons, even if I couldn't fully understand what they were.

I don't think I can see any purpose behind what PY-RE is doing anymore, Pieter-- aside from chaos, and the hunt. ... I'm sorry.

It still sounds like something I'd enjoy doing, though. ... I'm sorry for that, too.


Now see, this is an interesting point. I started my career as a through-and-through idealist and small-p patriot and back then it was VERY important to me who I worked for and why. I used to vet my every action, act and thought to make sure it was contributing to what I saw as the 'big picture'. The big picture turned out to be a lie. I learned that I was the tinfoil wrapped around the Militia program, that my service and all my heartache was nothing more than a front for a brutal organisation that existed pretty much solely to funnel State funds to violent opportunists with no love of country, honour or vision.

So, we switched sides - so that if we couldn't fight FOR the State at least we weren't lining the pockets of monsters who were actively trying to pull it down. There we found that the patriots of the Empire couldn't even be bothered to treat their hirelings civilly - for awhile it was enough that we brought in money.

After a further pause to reflect and think we realised that all we were doing was not hurting those who supported us. We weren't supporting those who supported us to the utmost of our ability. Fighting on behalf of the Amarr certainly wasn't maximising stockholder potential, it wasn't maximising revenue and the people we were killing were certainly not any more deserving of death than the people we were helping.

How could we fix this - and after your experiences, how can you claim that the Minmatar are particularly deserving of our brand of violence and the Amarr particularly innocent?

Serving in the Crusade meant supporting the unsupportable and abandoning friends who'd stood beside us - so we solved the problem. Now we can work with Val's people with a clear conscience, without feeling that we're sidling around the Rules of Engagement. Did you expect us to sign up with the Gallente to do that, Aria?

So, who are we hurting? Nobody who isn't in line for a bit of pain, in my opinion. If you're ship crew and you wandered into low security space, then what were you thinking was likely to happen? Here there be monsters and monsters have to eat too. In short Family/Friends > Corp > MegaCorp > State and I honestly couldn't care beyond that.

Does that make me a pirate or does it make me independent? Check the progression listing above to see whether I care about your opinion.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#54 - 2016-03-04 23:30:36 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Pirates will be pirates.


I'd rather be a pirate than cancer, Mizhara. And I don't mean that personally, I mean that our work funnels credits to our employers, provides solutions to problems for our clients and this can be directly compared to the bitter harvest that is all the TLF and it's allied corporations has ever brought the Tribes.

I've been a hero and I've had to step outside of the conventions that label brings to achieve every single one of the good acts that I hope offsets the death and loss I've also brought.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#55 - 2016-03-05 00:53:42 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:


I don't think I can see any purpose behind what PY-RE is doing anymore, Pieter-- aside from chaos, and the hunt. ... I'm sorry.

It still sounds like something I'd enjoy doing, though. ... I'm sorry for that, too.


I miss having you as wingman, Aria. Maybe you should try feeling less sorry and embrace more professional pride. I do know that this would suit you very well.

And while you're right about the joy of the hunt you're mistaken about chaos. Order would be much more accurate, although a very specific type of order, coloured black and red. There are some underlying loyalities on a corporate level that have and will never change.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2016-03-05 02:33:28 UTC
Damn, Pieter. It seems that we both came to the same realisation that we are both involved in a grand cosmic joke at some point of our careers!

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#57 - 2016-03-05 03:31:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
How could we fix this - and after your experiences, how can you claim that the Minmatar are particularly deserving of our brand of violence and the Amarr particularly innocent?


... you seem to have forgotten a little, or maybe you didn't understand to begin with:

I don't, of course.

There's no one in this world I especially want dead, Pieter. That's been true as long as you've known me. That hasn't stopped me from killing them, though.

It'd be nice if you didn't try to moralize to me about it. That's Aldrith's game, and Miz's. I can understand wanting to be closer to Val. I'd note that you're both killing and flying with her people with a clear conscience, though, and I'm closer to someone she hurt than to her, these days, anyway.

Quote:
Check the progression listing above to see whether I care about your opinion.


If I don't count as family or friend, then presumably no.

Once, I did, though, I think. I sort of thought I still did; maybe that's presumptuous. Aphoxema tried to kill me the other day. She missed, but maybe I should have taken that more seriously.

Only, you've gone to some lengths to persuade me of your position. So maybe you do care.

Either way, I guess we're not on the same side right now.

That's okay. You flew with Val longer than with me, so....

I guess, for now: thank you for the lessons, Teacher.



Desiderya wrote:
Order would be much more accurate, although a very specific type of order, coloured black and red. There are some underlying loyalities on a corporate level that have and will never change.


Okay, but-- that's not a loyalty I share, or have ever shared. I'll be interested to see how it all develops, though-- if it's even visible.

Please be well, Des.

... I do remember my promise. I'd be grateful if you didn't put me in a place where I have to choose between promises, though.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#58 - 2016-03-05 03:33:12 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Damn, Pieter. It seems that we both came to the same realisation that we are both involved in a grand cosmic joke at some point of our careers!


Basically, Elmund. It's a particularly sick joke that the Empires made us what we are and then didn't have any sort of a good use for us. It frankly beggars belief that they would make me rich, deadly and bored at the very same time that they removed all consequences from my actions. A terrible combination.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#59 - 2016-03-05 04:19:02 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Basically, Elmund. It's a particularly sick joke that the Empires made us what we are and then didn't have any sort of a good use for us. It frankly beggars belief that they would make me rich, deadly and bored at the very same time that they removed all consequences from my actions. A terrible combination.


It does beggar belief. That's part of why I don't believe it.

If you assume that the "sick joke" is purposeful, intentional, planned (by someone in a position to arrange it), things look a little different.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#60 - 2016-03-05 04:29:15 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:


I don't think I can see any purpose behind what PY-RE is doing anymore, Pieter-- aside from chaos, and the hunt. ... I'm sorry.



Oh, did you expect some kind Grand Narrative? An exposition of rationale and justifications about how we're changing the world, and making a difference? What for? To placate a bunch of disingenuous and self-affected scrubs whose delusions of power and self-importance are disabused with the equanimity of violence they are shown impotent to prevent or curtail?

I just have to read emo-megathread #457 about someone like Nauplius to see that in action. Welcome to the real world!

But for me, what PY-RE is now is what it has always been since the day it was founded, and words better than my own can describe it:


Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.


So I'll damn well be rather one of the worst full of passionate intensity as I partake in the thrill of the hunt and savour the next kill than be one of the best whose supposed convictions end up fallow in the fields of ennui and neurosis.

Kurilaivonen|Concern