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Watchlist will only show online status if pilots add each other #EVENT
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Barrett Fruitcake
Doomheim
#101 - 2016-02-22 08:07:53 UTC
Nice to see that CCP is finally taking aim at some of the games worse free-intel offenders.
And of course players that are used to using such free-intel sources are upset.

Bring on the doom and gloom...
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#102 - 2016-02-22 09:11:20 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Complaints like this make it fairly evident who the real predators are, and who are the guys just looking for fish in a barrel.


"Fish in a barrel" doesn't at all describe what it takes to pursue a target.

Caleb Seremshur wrote:
If you want to propose some kind of mechanic where certain Persons Of Interest can be tracked for a fee then so be it but it needs to be short lived and have the cost scale upwards in an appropriate manner.


Wardecs cost isk, scale in cost according to target population, and even notifiy your target that you have the ability to monitor them.

Caleb Seremshur wrote:
You should not be able to just watchlist people willynilly because you found some random space object they own somewhere.


Actually, that's a really good reason to watchlist people. Wardec their corp to remove a POS or POCO or whatever,

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#103 - 2016-02-22 09:19:47 UTC
Phew i thought i was never going to be able to do ratting in my nyx Ugh

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
Dreamweb Industries
Novus Ordo.
#104 - 2016-02-22 09:33:03 UTC
thatonepersone
Black Jack 0-1
#105 - 2016-02-22 14:36:19 UTC
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:
Artist's impression of cap pilots and wardec targets receiving convo requests non-stop after the watchlist is gone.

Looking forward to the tears.


Good idea. I almost want watch lists removed now so i can see all of the people who asked for it gone complain.
Barrett Fruitcake
Doomheim
#106 - 2016-02-22 14:44:02 UTC
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:
Artist's impression of cap pilots and wardec targets receiving convo requests non-stop after the watchlist is gone.

Looking forward to the tears.



Good time for CCP to separate convo request from join fleet requests and for them to implement a layered block where you can block based upon standings.

Chat Block Levels:

-Block All except explicit exceptions list
-Block All except Corp members
-Block All except Alliance members
-Block All except above and +10 standings
-Block All except above and +5 Standings
-Block All except above and Neutral Standings
-Block All except above and No Standing
-Block All except above and -5 standing
-Block All except above and -10 standing
-Block only explicitly blocked characters

massive convo requests will simply be annoying and may cause additional unnecessary server load.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#107 - 2016-02-22 14:51:34 UTC
Barrett Fruitcake wrote:
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:
Artist's impression of cap pilots and wardec targets receiving convo requests non-stop after the watchlist is gone.

Looking forward to the tears.



Good time for CCP to separate convo request from join fleet requests and for them to implement a layered block where you can block based upon standings.

Chat Block Levels:

-Block All except explicit exceptions list
-Block All except Corp members
-Block All except Alliance members
-Block All except above and +10 standings
-Block All except above and +5 Standings
-Block All except above and Neutral Standings
-Block All except above and No Standing
-Block All except above and -5 standing
-Block All except above and -10 standing
-Block only explicitly blocked characters

massive convo requests will simply be annoying and may cause additional unnecessary server load.



I believe massive convo requests are bannable?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#108 - 2016-02-22 15:23:11 UTC
Barrett Fruitcake wrote:
Nice to see that CCP is finally taking aim at some of the games worse free-intel offenders.
And of course players that are used to using such free-intel sources are upset.

Bring on the doom and gloom...




Meh. This just hurts small players to protect the big players. The big players who hunt capitals will just adept. But the little guys who just want to see when their war targets are logged in, or when some large alliance has put a titan online indicating a potential blob hot drop on their 5 man gate camp are screwed out of content.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Bait'er De'Outlier
Trans-Aerospace Industries
#109 - 2016-02-24 04:59:51 UTC
So basically what we're looking at here is taking an incredibly useful tool and changing it to something rendering it essentially useless to a lot of people who use it for a variety of purposes?

If I want to see my friends in the game they're mainly in the same chat room whenever we log on.

If I want to know if I might get blowed up by war targets or if it might be worth the drive to find war targets I won't be able to know who's online at a given time?

As it's been pointed out:
Eve's a pretty spread out game.
Watchlist can cut both ways with war targets and others.
It's a useful tool that the players have learned to use in a manner not anticipated by CCP's original intent.

So:
Why change this part of the game again?
Masao Kurata
Perkone
Caldari State
#110 - 2016-02-24 07:04:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Masao Kurata
You don't have to be a crazy stalker to enjoy EVE, but it helps. After this change, you're going to lose a lot of crazy stalkers. Do you really want an EVE without crazy stalkers?

...hmm, that sounds more sarcastic than intended. To be clear, I seriously think that being able to be a crazy stalker in EVE is a large part of what makes it great. EVE isn't real life, and it's not like other games. It's space submarines and spy games and "free intel" is a nonsensical term used to justify removal of intel that makes people uncomfortable. Being uncomfortable is exactly how you should feel in EVE, sitting in a tin can and not knowing who's out to get you or when and where they'll strike.

Supers are getting citadels, they can dock their space coffins and fly some actual fun spaceships, watchlists do not need to be changed to accommodate under 0.1% of players who won't even need any special considerations in april or may or whenever citadels come out.
Graymin
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#111 - 2016-02-24 12:18:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Graymin
one step closer to removing local :)

might as well remove who's docked in station list also

and while where at it what the heck just remove all list in all chats

then you can get rid of portraits and such wont be needed


we can make eve a in station game looking at a star map all day long :)
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#112 - 2016-02-24 12:19:47 UTC
Barrett Fruitcake wrote:
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:
Artist's impression of cap pilots and wardec targets receiving convo requests non-stop after the watchlist is gone.

Looking forward to the tears.



Good time for CCP to separate convo request from join fleet requests and for them to implement a layered block where you can block based upon standings.

Chat Block Levels:

-Block All except explicit exceptions list
-Block All except Corp members
-Block All except Alliance members
-Block All except above and +10 standings
-Block All except above and +5 Standings
-Block All except above and Neutral Standings
-Block All except above and No Standing
-Block All except above and -5 standing
-Block All except above and -10 standing
-Block only explicitly blocked characters

massive convo requests will simply be annoying and may cause additional unnecessary server load.




do you REALLy need all those settings? just have good, bad and neutral standings, your alliance and corp are automatically added to good. I mean why would you want to take to someone whos is -5 over someone who is -10.

Ill still ask for the AFK light though, as it would be good to see if people are away, this is something they could set themselves or it comes on due to inactivity, plus its really good for corps alliances to understand who is actually playing especially when you need to fight.

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit
Catt Stevens
Karusaka Family
#113 - 2016-02-24 15:45:20 UTC
WOOHOO, time to gatecamp in my Super :D
Barrett Fruitcake
Doomheim
#114 - 2016-02-25 08:01:13 UTC
Catt Stevens wrote:
WOOHOO, time to gatecamp in my Super :D



Well, the other free-intel tool, Kill-mails, will give you away.

And I wouldn't say it would be a bad thing for the Super-Hunters out there if Super pilots started getting reckless when such free-intel tools are removed from the game.

Of course you can't keep them in constant fear of your immediate response time if any dare to log in nearly anywhere in the universe anymore, but that is a bit over-kill isn't it.

But with more Supers being more willing to fly around and do stuff without needing to be in a massive fleet of other supers, you might have more potential for the lower level Super-Hunters finding a fair amount of their own to liquidate from the game.

I say let them rat in compete anonymity and eventually they will make that mistake.
Abda
Doomheim
#115 - 2016-02-25 16:38:15 UTC
I don't care. Its most notorious use was to camp logged off supers. Such that if one were to log in, someone would see and log on a HIC with a cyno and a probe launcher in the system the locator agent said he was in. Supers are so slow and hard to hide that even unbonused ships with combat probes could detect their location and warp and bubble following a cyno with little to no effort. All before they left warp (although that has since changed). Seriously the only thing they needed was to know the name of the character and that was all the intel they needed to camp a guy into staying off-line with their alt also off-line. That is some really cheesy meta-game crap right there.

The problem with relying on a game mechanics to meta-game with is that you really have no platform to complain when or if it is ever changed. Its one thing to go "Oh XXX is online, lets go find them" and another to go "oh XXX is online, time to log on an alt to bubble him at this login point I found out via totally legit space magic means."
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#116 - 2016-02-25 16:43:28 UTC
Masao Kurata wrote:
or when and where they'll strike.

.


If you don't want people to know when and where they will strike, the watch list sure as hell needs to go away since it tells me when you are there to strike...
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#117 - 2016-02-25 16:47:02 UTC
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:
Artist's impression of cap pilots and wardec targets receiving convo requests non-stop after the watchlist is gone.

Looking forward to the tears.


It's gonna be hell for CCP to hammer all those reports for convo spamming and they will probably just hand out suspension escalating to a ban.
Masao Kurata
Perkone
Caldari State
#118 - 2016-02-25 17:29:04 UTC
Abda wrote:
I don't care. Its most notorious use was to camp logged off supers.


That's only a tiny percentage of their actual use, it's just that super kills make headlines.