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Caldari mob demonstrates against real estate developer !

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Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#21 - 2016-02-20 22:49:06 UTC
Seems like someone touched a nerve with the truth about Caldari duplicity, eh?

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#22 - 2016-02-21 01:14:00 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Seems like someone touched a nerve with the truth about Caldari duplicity, eh?


My eyes just rolled out of my skull, across my desk and down the corridor. Yes, yes... Double-dealing backstabbing corporate scum locked in their eternal grudge-match with high-stepping, six-faced, degenerate murdering hedonists whilst the barbaric rock-bangers engage in knuckle-dragging atrocities against their effete, corrupt former slave-owners.

I'm glad you picked your side, sweetie, but don't shovel crap onto my shoes and tell me it smells like perfume.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#23 - 2016-02-21 04:05:57 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
My eyes just rolled out of my skull, across my desk and down the corridor.


Oh, dear me Pieter you should treat that at once! Allow me to recommend... you were speaking figuratively, weren't you?
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2016-02-21 05:10:18 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Seems like someone touched a nerve with the truth about Caldari duplicity, eh?


Ms. Rella, I know my own eyes probably aren't wholly clear on these things, but ... this is really disappointing.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#25 - 2016-02-21 05:38:33 UTC
A weakness shown should be a weakness exploited with maximum prejudice. If I were to make a mistake I would fully expect to be punished for it, so better not to repeat them. Those who decry duplicity in life or business are those who would support mediocrity.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#26 - 2016-02-21 06:40:25 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
A weakness shown should be a weakness exploited with maximum prejudice. If I were to make a mistake I would fully expect to be punished for it, so better not to repeat them. Those who decry duplicity in life or business are those who would support mediocrity.


Pieter? Does this make Veiki a security risk?

I'm joking, if it's not obvious, but gods and spirits, Veiki.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#27 - 2016-02-21 13:57:14 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:


Pieter? Does this make Veiki a security risk?

I'm joking, if it's not obvious, but gods and spirits, Veiki.


What? I have certainly never prescribed to a do as I say, not as I do, mentality as regards my own sentiments. I have made mistakes in life and had others capitalize on my personal and professional failures -- as they should. At times it was duplicitous, but I cannot fault others for having played their games well. It at least taught me the dangers of being overly sentimental.

As for being a security risk? I do probably place the security of others at risk on a lot of occasions these days. Is that what you mean? Because I have not been ambiguous about the fact that I will not seek friendships or positions of trust where duplicity would gain me any conceivable advantage.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#28 - 2016-02-21 17:35:47 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:
Seems like someone touched a nerve with the truth about Caldari duplicity, eh?


Ms. Rella, I know my own eyes probably aren't wholly clear on these things, but ... this is really disappointing.
Why is it dissappointing?
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#29 - 2016-02-21 17:44:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Pieter? Does this make Veiki a security risk?

I'm joking, if it's not obvious, but gods and spirits, Veiki.


What? I have certainly never prescribed to a do as I say, not as I do, mentality as regards my own sentiments. I have made mistakes in life and had others capitalize on my personal and professional failures -- as they should. At times it was duplicitous, but I cannot fault others for having played their games well. It at least taught me the dangers of being overly sentimental.

As for being a security risk? I do probably place the security of others at risk on a lot of occasions these days. Is that what you mean? Because I have not been ambiguous about the fact that I will not seek friendships or positions of trust where duplicity would gain me any conceivable advantage.


Oh, gods, Veiki. Where should I begin....

So, you say that you can't fault others for playing their (duplicitous) games well. That's a fair sentiment, but the path you've outlined for yourself in the past is that of a weapon-- a blade to be wielded by others.

We have differences, you and I. This is something we've sort of had in common, though. I've tried to be something pretty straightforward, a simple blade of high quality and fine workmanship. You've ... been something a little more exotic. To my eye, you appear to have a really excessive number of barbs, blade breakers, disembowling hooks, blood channels, and maybe that triangular blade that makes stab-wounds really hard to close. But I would say that, being as I am. I'm prepared to accept that you are who you are, and that you do a reasonable job pursuing the person you try to be.

This, though, isn't really optional: a weapon, to be worth using as anything short of a desperate act, has to be reliable. It has to be trustworthy.

It's fine to accept others' duplicity. I, also, don't really hold it against people; there are a lot of ways for people to live. But in our present time, I think the avatar and exemplar of the attitude you express is Anyanka Funk. You'd think no one would trust her, ever, but somehow she seems to constantly find new people to play with ... and to play.

You say that you don't seek friendships or positions where duplicity would gain you any conceivable advantage. ... well, you might not have sought it, but you do have a position like that. If you can't see the possibilities, you might be a better person than you imagine you are. Or maybe you're just really unimaginative, but I don't think that's the case.

Actually, I think you're a hypocrite about this. ... and I think that's to your credit. If I thought you actually believed what you've been saying, I could never have trusted you at my wing or back. Neither could anyone else. And yet you're a trusted and reliable member of the most effective team of pilots I know.

In spite of all you've said, I think you're a trustworthy person, Veiki. As a weapon, you're flashy and unnecessarily vicious, but you're not the sort to turn on your wielder.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#30 - 2016-02-22 01:22:11 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:

You say that you don't seek friendships or positions where duplicity would gain you any conceivable advantage. ... well, you might not have sought it, but you do have a position like that. If you can't see the possibilities, you might be a better person than you imagine you are. Or maybe you're just really unimaginative, but I don't think that's the case.

Actually, I think you're a hypocrite about this. ... and I think that's to your credit. If I thought you actually believed what you've been saying, I could never have trusted you at my wing or back. Neither could anyone else. And yet you're a trusted and reliable member of the most effective team of pilots I know.

In spite of all you've said, I think you're a trustworthy person, Veiki. As a weapon, you're flashy and unnecessarily vicious, but you're not the sort to turn on your wielder.


It's really quite simple: Sometimes people need to die, so I will go ahead and kill them with due diligence. This has been the case whether I was shoving a sharpened entrenching tool into some dissoc meatbag's face or cracking open a hull plate like a Suvali Jewel Crab with some heavy ordnance.

If I am trusted and relied upon, then it is due to the fact that when it comes to the good old fashioned ultraviolence I have always done exactly as I have said I will do. There exists a mutual self-interest, I at times need others to secure a kill, and they need to know that I'll do my job if they do theirs. That is the basis of the relationship for me -- professional equanimity. Nothing more, nothing less.

I fail to see what is flashy or unnecessarily vicious about being honest.

The very reason I can afford to be honest is because I see no current advantage in being duplicitous. Which is my entire point, there is nothing wrong with duplicity if it affords advantage for your own interests and the objectives you work towards. Even less wrong if those disadvantaged are probably just a bunch of dissocs squatting on the Homeworld.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#31 - 2016-02-22 02:27:10 UTC
Okay. So let's examine that in terms of your earlier comment.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
A weakness shown should be a weakness exploited with maximum prejudice. If I were to make a mistake I would fully expect to be punished for it, so better not to repeat them. Those who decry duplicity in life or business are those who would support mediocrity.


You didn't say "A weakness shown should be exploited when it is in both your short and/or long-term self-interest to do so." "With maximum prejudice" means something else.

"Those who decry duplicity in life or in business are those who would support mediocrity." Another unqualified statement. If I agree with your apparent belief that trust is an ingredient in effective function of a combat unit, though, I would be decrying duplicity in at least one kind of business.

Does that mean I support mediocrity? Does that mean you support it?

Honesty is maybe not so much a virtue if you're honest about what you think, but not careful about what you think. Or about what you say.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#32 - 2016-02-22 03:33:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Veikitamo Gesakaarin
And yet that statement was directed towards the article in question, which I stand by and not the proceeding tangential. As for the latter, if there exists no duplicity on my part regarding combat performance what then is there to decry?

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#33 - 2016-02-22 04:04:45 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
And yet that statement was directed towards the article in question, which I stand by and not the proceeding tangential. As for the latter, if there exists no duplicity on my part regarding combat performance what then is there to decry?

Veiki, you didn't limit your remarks in any such way. You said it like some sort of universal truth. "In business or in life?"

Saying one thing for basically all situations, and then saying "oh, that's different" when someone points to how it would apply to your own, is pretty much classic hypocrisy.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#34 - 2016-02-22 05:35:10 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:

Veiki, you didn't limit your remarks in any such way. You said it like some sort of universal truth. "In business or in life?"

Saying one thing for basically all situations, and then saying "oh, that's different" when someone points to how it would apply to your own, is pretty much classic hypocrisy.


Hey you're the one that wanted to point out the contradictions in an unqualified axiomatic statement. I was just keeping my Many Edges as sharp as they can be with some derivative level shitposting appropriate to the IGS and its audience. I've got a dubious reputation to maintain after all.

And you're quite right, although I'll have to concede the point since my opening remark wasn't made with intentions at sophistry.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#35 - 2016-02-22 18:18:56 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
My eyes just rolled out of my skull, across my desk and down the corridor.


Oh, dear me Pieter you should treat that at once! Allow me to recommend... you were speaking figuratively, weren't you?


I would pat your hand reassuringly if physics permitted, Lady Noh. The injury caused was purely mental, I promise.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#36 - 2016-02-22 18:20:50 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
A weakness shown should be a weakness exploited with maximum prejudice. If I were to make a mistake I would fully expect to be punished for it, so better not to repeat them. Those who decry duplicity in life or business are those who would support mediocrity.


Pieter? Does this make Veiki a security risk?

I'm joking, if it's not obvious, but gods and spirits, Veiki.


The enormous expenditure on Crash and expensive brandy is more likely to make Veiki a security risk. I am also joking.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#37 - 2016-02-22 19:01:34 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
My eyes just rolled out of my skull, across my desk and down the corridor.


Oh, dear me Pieter you should treat that at once! Allow me to recommend... you were speaking figuratively, weren't you?


I would pat your hand reassuringly if physics permitted, Lady Noh. The injury caused was purely mental, I promise.


Well, that is a relief, Pieter! I should have known, of course. You are young and healthy! When you get to an age where being animated is really about being reanimated, one minute you're screaming like a spoiled Gallente seven year old for more gelato at her birthday party; and the next, a trusted Brutor is reattaching your nose or, you know, putting an eyeball back in your head.

Ah, ha ha...!

Yes, Cylindrical Kameira? Is that mine? You're sure? Oh! Yes! Look at that right there! Missing pinky toe.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#38 - 2016-02-23 02:32:51 UTC
I really don't know what any of this has to do with real-estate....
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#39 - 2016-02-23 02:33:09 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

The enormous expenditure on Crash and expensive brandy is more likely to make Veiki a security risk. I am also joking.


Well, I am a paragon of sobriety and clean, honest living.

I am not joking.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2016-02-23 03:24:20 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
I really don't know what any of this has to do with real-estate....


I am terrified of putting the words 'Caldari' and 'Real Estate' in the same sentence unless there is the word 'mob' intersecting between these two words.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

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