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Proposal: Rename TES Auctoritas
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Grooz 2000
Imperial's Capsulers
#21 - 2016-02-26 00:57:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Grooz 2000
Why are you all stood and watched ?

In this world you can not influence events.

We can only accept this or leave. (с) Best friend
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#22 - 2016-02-26 01:56:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Grooz 2000 wrote:
Why are you all stood and watched ?


If you're asking what I think you're asking, pilot....

They never got a chance to respond. The Drifters turned up in a massed formation, alpha-striked the Empress's Avatar-class Titan with the Drifter pocket-doomsdays, hit her pod with their beam weapons, and quit the field. All in the span of a few seconds.

That's part of what makes the event so unsettling: nobody could stop them, either from killing the Empress or from escaping, after. They assassinated a head of state, and as far as I know they didn't suffer a single loss for it, at least at the time.
Arkoth 24
Doomheim
#23 - 2016-02-26 09:19:45 UTC
Grooz 2000 wrote:
Why are you all stood and watched ?

'Cause we enjoyed it.

Not every day something so proud, so self-assured, so powerful and god-like turns into dust in one moment.

Killing gods is a magnificent view.

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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#24 - 2016-02-26 09:46:55 UTC
Grooz 2000 wrote:
Why are you all stood and watched ?


I was too busy getting a natural high on some Amarrian purple kush dryweed in a hot-tub at the time.

#420PraiseIt as they say in the Scriptures.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Grooz 2000
Imperial's Capsulers
#25 - 2016-02-26 13:31:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Grooz 2000
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Grooz 2000 wrote:
Why are you all stood and watched ?


If you're asking what I think you're asking, pilot....

They never got a chance to respond. The Drifters turned up in a massed formation, alpha-striked the Empress's Avatar-class Titan with the Drifter pocket-doomsdays, hit her pod with their beam weapons, and quit the field. All in the span of a few seconds.

That's part of what makes the event so unsettling: nobody could stop them, either from killing the Empress or from escaping, after. They assassinated a head of state, and as far as I know they didn't suffer a single loss for it, at least at the time.


Why is the Military Space Forces of the Empire did not use class Devoter ships?
For perimeter protection?

Each capsuleer who participated in the war on the periphery of, he knows how to protect the Titan by such unexpected attacks.
It even has a in textbooks on combat tactics.

I know the answer why you had failed to protect her.

In this world you can not influence events.

We can only accept this or leave. (с) Best friend
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2016-02-26 14:45:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Grooz 2000 wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Grooz 2000 wrote:
Why are you all stood and watched ?


If you're asking what I think you're asking, pilot....

They never got a chance to respond. The Drifters turned up in a massed formation, alpha-striked the Empress's Avatar-class Titan with the Drifter pocket-doomsdays, hit her pod with their beam weapons, and quit the field. All in the span of a few seconds.

That's part of what makes the event so unsettling: nobody could stop them, either from killing the Empress or from escaping, after. They assassinated a head of state, and as far as I know they didn't suffer a single loss for it, at least at the time.


Why is the Military Space Forces of the Empire did not use class Devoter ships?
For perimeter protection?

Each capsuleer who participated in the war on the periphery of, he knows how to protect the Titan by such unexpected attacks.
It even has a in textbooks on combat tactics.

I know the answer why you had failed to protect her.


Warp disruption bubbles cannot be deployed in Hi-sec. Also, even if they are trapped, the Drifters will likely just annihilate the escort fleet and bug out with minimal loss. It will be Vak'Atioh all over again.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#27 - 2016-02-26 15:18:04 UTC
I like the notion of capsuleers bubbling Imperial titans with their rulers on board. Should definitely be added to the tactical playbook of the Imperial Navy. Nothing can go wrong with that. Nothing at all.
Grooz 2000
Imperial's Capsulers
#28 - 2016-02-26 18:49:40 UTC
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Warp disruption bubbles cannot be deployed in Hi-sec.

Sorry what ?
Do not use in its own territory? Sorry but can spread the ban CONCORD, on Amarr fleet which acts in its space
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Also, even if they are trapped, the Drifters will likely just annihilate the escort fleet and bug out with minimal loss. It will be Vak'Atioh all over again.

Speculation may and so on ...
Command of shall not be guesswork, it should be a clear plan of action which includes all possible cases. Think through all the details, to estimate all possibilities.
This is not to accompany the cargo with a bag of potatoes.

My God! It's not Command of, it is a kindergarten.

It's just a nightmare. And most importantly no one wants to find out why all this happened. Why all the leadership is responsible for the security the Empress, was not punished for an this.

In this world you can not influence events.

We can only accept this or leave. (с) Best friend
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#29 - 2016-02-26 19:10:29 UTC
Ah, the ancient Amarrian dialect of Gib'Berish. I'd hoped I wouldn't be seeing that on these boards.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2016-02-26 19:50:15 UTC
One of the great truisms of our kind is that you don't undock what you can't afford to lose. Amarr undocked something they couldn't afford to lose.

Granted, given the rapid strike capabilities of the Drifters, once they appeared on-grid, there wasn't anything anyone could have done. The failure of Amarr was hubris. We all knew something was going to happen. We knew the Drifters were a significant threat and that they possessed a worrisome level of power. And still Amarr publicly announced when and where the Empress would be. Of course, no one expected that anyone would try something like ganking a Head of State in HiSec. But Amarr should never have taken the chance in the first place.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Grooz 2000
Imperial's Capsulers
#31 - 2016-02-26 21:46:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Grooz 2000
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
One of the great truisms of our kind is that you don't undock what you can't afford to lose. Amarr undocked something they couldn't afford to lose.

Granted, given the rapid strike capabilities of the Drifters, once they appeared on-grid, there wasn't anything anyone could have done. The failure of Amarr was hubris. We all knew something was going to happen. We knew the Drifters were a significant threat and that they possessed a worrisome level of power. And still Amarr publicly announced when and where the Empress would be. Of course, no one expected that anyone would try something like ganking a Head of State in HiSec. But Amarr should never have taken the chance in the first place.



When it comes to the security of the state and the Empress.
Hubris should be on the second plan. And everything must be done for safety. Even if you're not familiar with the enemy, you must consider any options that may occur.
All the fault lies with the command who were responsible for security.
All these excuses is a lie, the responsibility lies with the Empress who allowed without proper protection to be in the system. When it was clear that she might be in danger.

Oh ... I nearly forgot.
Alizebeth Amalath should pay attention to patterns of a new has its black sheep by the name Apostle, you will find there the familiar features.
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We will remember how she died, but we will not remembered how she lived.

Eh .. Empire seems to have lost the best designers, it is a pity very sorry. Cry

In this world you can not influence events.

We can only accept this or leave. (с) Best friend
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#32 - 2016-02-26 21:58:49 UTC
Grooz 2000 wrote:
The responsibility lies with the Empress.


That is all which needs to be said. Either the Empress decided that she did not want to go on living; or, the Empress decided that the superstitious dipshittery inherent in Amarr's belief that the ruling family should not maintain medical clones was to be respected (this time, ahem; for reasons unknown).

The Empress herself does not appear to have been a superstitious dipshit, and so it is easy to believe that she viewed developments as an opportunity to no longer be responsible for an empire of superstitious dipshits.
Grooz 2000
Imperial's Capsulers
#33 - 2016-02-26 22:43:12 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Grooz 2000 wrote:
The responsibility lies with the Empress.


That is all which needs to be said. Either the Empress decided that she did not want to go on living; or, the Empress decided that the superstitious dipshittery inherent in Amarr's belief that the ruling family should not maintain medical clones was to be respected (this time, ahem; for reasons unknown).

The Empress herself does not appear to have been a superstitious dipshit, and so it is easy to believe that she viewed developments as an opportunity to no longer be responsible for an empire of superstitious dipshits.


That is suicide?

In this world you can not influence events.

We can only accept this or leave. (с) Best friend
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#34 - 2016-02-26 22:51:36 UTC
Grooz 2000 wrote:
That is suicide?


Yes. Either the Empress submitted to superstitious nonsense and refused a medical clone; or, she couldn't take the superstitious nonsense any longer and decided it to end it. In the later case, I don't blame her. In the former case, good riddance, New Eden does not need that kind of "leadership."

She may not have chosen the exact moment or nature of death, but she chose to die. The responsibility is, as you said, with her.
Grooz 2000
Imperial's Capsulers
#35 - 2016-02-26 23:07:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Grooz 2000
In charge Grand Admiral who is alive. He commanded the fleet.
Suicide without the proper approach is sin.
Only the heirs and their faithful servants losers succession have the right to retual suicide. Either the the servant who faithfully served the rulers but the ruler died. (leave this world at his own request with his master)
Or I'm wrong ?

Yes you all are right. It was impossible effect on what happened. So how in this world impossible to effect on the way history. She is already written in advance. We are just pawns.

In this world you can not influence events.

We can only accept this or leave. (с) Best friend
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#36 - 2016-02-26 23:17:08 UTC
The Empress chose to get in a titan (apparently) without a medical clone. Her (apparent) death is her responsibility, and hers alone. The fact that she herself once showed up with a superweapon and obliterated an enemy fleet makes the "we couldn't have anticipated such a thing" excuse absurd.

Hmmm... perhaps the Drifters are punishing Amarr for benefiting from one of their weapons without permission.

Come back, Eldar Fleet! Come back!
Grooz 2000
Imperial's Capsulers
#37 - 2016-02-26 23:23:53 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
The Empress chose to get in a titan (apparently) without a medical clone. Her (apparent) death is her responsibility, and hers alone. The fact that she herself once showed up with a superweapon and obliterated an enemy fleet makes the "we couldn't have anticipated such a thing" excuse absurd.

Hmmm... perhaps the Drifters are punishing Amarr for benefiting from one of their weapons without permission.

Come back, Eldar Fleet! Come back!


Do you believe in her return?

In this world you can not influence events.

We can only accept this or leave. (с) Best friend
Indira Harashani
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#38 - 2016-02-27 01:33:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Indira Harashani
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:
Like many other Faithful capsuleers, I was in Safizon the day TES Auctoritas was supposed to be handed over to Her Majesty, Empress Jamyl I. Like all the others who were there, I watched in horror at Her Majesty’s martyrdom.

Since that day, members of the Order of Jamyl have kept a vigil over the wreck of EF Seraph, an ever present, but ever empty, mausoleum. We continue to mourn her death and remember her, but in remembering her, we know that her life was not just the few moments at Safizon. Hers was a life of righteousness and glory, of triumph and strength. Empress Jamyl I returned pride to the Imperial Military and righted the wrongs of her father. Her mark on the Navy will last, even though she is gone.

Therefore, I propose that TES Auctoritas be renamed TES Empress Jamyl I. I can think of few better ways for the Navy to remember her.


I second this proposal. Although no doubt others will chime as to various fitting tributes (why do x if you can do y), there is no reason not to proceed with a simple and clear one while others are also pursued for her Holy Memory.

There is, in fact, a very good reason not to proceed with any name but the TES Auctoritas, and it is not some silly nonsense superstition about renaming a ship bringing about bad luck.

It is that the vessel was named by Her Majesty herself shortly before her death. You wish to second-guess her decisions to use that name? To undo one of her last acts as Empress?

And you call yourselves her supporters? Support her by allowing her words and decisions to stand. Not by suggesting you know better in some vain attempt to glorify her by renaming a ship that she herself named as her last official act as Empress.

Jamyl Sarum I wrote:

Faithful of Amarr, it pleases us to see so many loyal capsuleers present here today.

We are gathered here in token of our holy mission to reclaim creation and bring the glory of God to all. To reaffirm this mission, it is fitting we mark the launch of our latest Imperial Flagship, the Auctoritas.

You will bear witness to the might and peerless technology of Holy Amarr as we...

Her Majesty's own last words. If you consider yourself her supporter, her follower, then respect those words and leave the Auctoritas' name stand. You disrespect her name, her memory, and her legacy, by doing otherwise.

There will be many other vessels built in the days to come. Name them.

Lady Indira Harashani

Holder of the Kheryskova Archipelago, Kihtaled IV
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#39 - 2016-02-27 01:42:39 UTC
Grooz 2000 wrote:
Do you believe in her return?


I am skeptical an individual like the Empress would have actually gone without a medical clone somewhere. I do half expect her return, albeit not as an "Amarrian." I do not have high expectations for her potential successors.

Wait! I've got a great idea for a system of governance!

Some pod tarts will flit around throwing pew pew at one another, and that will decide the head of state! It would be laughably imbecilic in a bronze age society, let alone, well....
Grooz 2000
Imperial's Capsulers
#40 - 2016-02-27 11:27:16 UTC
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There is, in fact, a very good reason not to proceed with any name but the TES Auctoritas, and it is not some silly nonsense superstition about renaming a ship bringing about bad luck.

It is that the vessel was named by Her Majesty herself shortly before her death. You wish to second-guess her decisions to use that name? To undo one of her last acts as Empress?

And you call yourselves her supporters? Support her by allowing her words and decisions to stand. Not by suggesting you know better in some vain attempt to glorify her by renaming a ship that she herself named as her last official act as Empress.



I agree with you completely.
Correctly be asked to not to rename the ship, but to create something new and unusual, as the the memory of her.
Construct a new cathedral in the memory of her. Beautiful huge cathedral, as the once great architects have built the capital of the Empire.
What now ? Draw a drawing of in the ship, in the ship which is not as the does not fit in the Gold fleet design.

Faugh heresy this is your Apostal.



In this world you can not influence events.

We can only accept this or leave. (с) Best friend