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After a long break, are my Hybrids just not worth pursuing?
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Sanadras Riahn
Turbo Nuclear Pirate Punch
#1 - 2016-02-15 00:51:37 UTC
Of all the weapon options available, I only have T2 Large Hybrids as something I can use for Level 4 missions to get back on my feet. And the more I look around, the longer it's been since Hybrid-fit level 4 runners have been discussed. I've seen options instead for the Rattlesnake and the Machariel, but very little mention of ships like the Megathron Navy, Vindicator, or Kronos!

Is it time for me to start focusing my training on another weapons platform? Or are there recommended Hybrid platforms so these 425mm Railgun IIs don't go to waste?

Tradition defines and shapes a person, but should be evaluated frequently; far too often does Tradition no longer help, but hobble a person and stunt their growth. Especially a Capsuleer.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2 - 2016-02-15 01:31:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
I've been a bit of an outspoken proponent for the Kronos. I personally prefer 350mm rails as they have better tracking, an improved rate of fire and double the ammunition capacity. Blasters are also an option with null (I believe it's null ammo). A Polarized fit could also be a lot of fun but I haven't played around with it yet.

The Vindicator is not well-suited to missions, as it lacks a range bonus and the web bonus is geared towards short-range engagements. I can't comment on the Megathron.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Andrew Space
Doomheim
#3 - 2016-02-15 06:19:16 UTC
I think blaster's range is one of it's diminishing features. Personally, I prefer mid-long range engagements when doing missions.
Aoi Litvyak
Doomheim
#4 - 2016-02-15 06:33:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Aoi Litvyak
You could get up towards 1300 DPS excluding drones with 425mm railguns on a shield tanked vindicator right? 4xmag stabs and 3x tracking enhancers with T2 ammo. Dont have the fits anymore but it was quite high for railguns.

*edit* this fit is similar to what i was thinking of
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=821644#post821644
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#5 - 2016-02-15 08:42:37 UTC
Aoi Litvyak wrote:
You could get up towards 1300 DPS excluding drones with 425mm railguns on a shield tanked vindicator right? 4xmag stabs and 3x tracking enhancers with T2 ammo. Dont have the fits anymore but it was quite high for railguns.

*edit* this fit is similar to what i was thinking of
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=821644#post821644



Yeah except he managed that by using links and pith a type shield mods. Shield tanking vindis or megas is really hard because you lack the cpu. My mega fit I've linked a few times uses 2 co-proc to fit everything and its the same on the Vindi. See for an example of the fit: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6299791#post6299791

a megathron fit
magnetic field stabilizer II
magnetic field stabilizer II
magnetic field stabilizer II
Tracking enhancer II
Signal Amplifer II
Co-processor II
Co-processor II


Pith C type X-large shield booster
Shield boost Amp II
Adaptive invul field II
Large micro jumpdrive

425 mm Railgun II


Large anti thermal screen reinforcer II
Large anti kinetic screen Reinforcer II
Large anit Em screen reinforcer II


That said I'n in a kronos now so yeah its defo not a waste to have Hybrid V. its a really nice weapon system.

This is my fit:

[Kronos, Kronos - Babies first mara]
Damage Control II
Capacitor Power Relay II
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
True Sansha Large Armor Repairer
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Tracking Computer II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Large Micro Jump Drive

Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Bastion Module I
Auto Targeting System II
Salvager II
Salvager II

Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II




Will gank for food
The Bigpuns
United Standings Improvement Agency
#6 - 2016-02-15 11:21:32 UTC
Man, there's some bad fits here...

Kronos does very nicely with either t2 blasters or rails. Vindi does fine with t2 rails, but should be armour fit. Rokh, Megathron and Hyperion are ok ships if you don't have the skills for t2 or pirate ships.

This is assuming it's still only for use in lvl 4's.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#7 - 2016-02-15 12:02:29 UTC
Do care to offer some of your 'not bad' fits for use to puruse...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#8 - 2016-02-15 12:18:52 UTC
Whats wrong with the kronos? my mega fit works and works far better then any rokh fit that anyone can come up with. The rokh unfortunately is just really underpowered and takes ages to kill anything with its weak dps.

Will gank for food
Sanadras Riahn
Turbo Nuclear Pirate Punch
#9 - 2016-02-15 15:57:14 UTC
The Bigpuns wrote:
This is assuming it's still only for use in lvl 4's.


Level 4s were the initial intent, though something that could possibly escalate into Incursion running would be preferred, so I don't have to rebuy a whole ship, more than tweak its fits.

Tradition defines and shapes a person, but should be evaluated frequently; far too often does Tradition no longer help, but hobble a person and stunt their growth. Especially a Capsuleer.
The Bigpuns
United Standings Improvement Agency
#10 - 2016-02-15 16:18:17 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Do care to offer some of your 'not bad' fits for use to puruse...


Done.

The Megathron above needs two Co-procs in order to squeeze in an xl sb. And then adds three shield resist rigs. Swap it to a 3 slot armor tank, then increase dps and application with your now free slots.

The kronos has a 4 slot tank and 3 cap mods. Again, drop an eanm and all the cap mods for two more magstabs and two more tc's.

The shield vindi is good for incursions (op, if you're looking at going that route, Vindi is pretty much your best hybrids choice). But should have an armour tank, ab and tc's when used for missions. Remaining slots to taste.

There, all those fits just got better.

And it's spelt 'peruse'.
The Bigpuns
United Standings Improvement Agency
#11 - 2016-02-15 18:38:47 UTC
Tarojan wrote:
Whats wrong with the kronos? my mega fit works and works far better then any rokh fit that anyone can come up with. The rokh unfortunately is just really underpowered and takes ages to kill anything with its weak dps.


Yes the rokh has lower total dps than the megathron or hyperion, but if you're fitting as a mjd sniper, the rokh is fine. But then the navy mega turns it round again.
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#12 - 2016-02-15 20:29:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarojan
I'm not going to drop tank on the kronos until I feel comfortable using it. I was actually tempted to add a 1600mm plate for extra ganker protection. The cap life is there in case of DC/lost internet. It isn't cap stable, but I dont tend to lose net for more then a few mins so it will last long enough.

I'll be dropping an enam for a mag stab though just as soon as I feel good about it. I was tempted to lose the TC for a mwd though, but I don't know how that will affect its performance. One of the things I look forward to finding out as I play with it.

I've used sniper fit rokhs and megas, fit with 425s and 350s. I'm telling you the mega beats it.

Will gank for food
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#13 - 2016-02-16 00:26:58 UTC
if you have hybrids trained you are probably better off using hybrids instead of some other partially trained weapon system. They aren't bad, they just aren't great. they are damage locked so they aren't as universal as missiles or projectiles. The kronos is pretty nice, very nice with blasters and an MWD+MJD, you can jump into a group and do 1600 dps with void. On some of the other missions it is better to just use rails as flying all over the place just wastes time.

vindicator seems pretty nice, but the fittings are super tight.

rokh, I just can't use
mega seems okay, but haven't played with it much
navy domi, rail + drone boat. can be fit for some lulz dps, not sure how effective it actually is though
hyperion, I was underwhelmed with it, but maybe that was just my fit

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#14 - 2016-02-16 01:18:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
The Bigpuns wrote:
The kronos has a 4 slot tank and 3 cap mods. Again, drop an eanm and all the cap mods for two more magstabs and two more tc's.

I think it might be helpful to ouline why. Even with a MWD anf MJD, the Kronos is by and large cap stable. Unlike shield boosters you don't need to pulse armor repairers anywhere near as much, and you can also overheat these more often without incurring any real heat damage. Your shield will buffer a lot of the initial damage, too. Truth be told you can probably get away with one EANM for most missions. Rigs are kind of a toss-up. You can go for more damage and tracking, Wap speed or something else entirely. I'm not a fan of trimarks because the Kronos is a tad overtanked as it is.

With respect to Gankers, just fit as many T2 modules and make it as unattractive a target as possible.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#15 - 2016-02-16 05:37:37 UTC
[Kronos, Kronos fit]

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer

Large Micro Jump Drive
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II
Domination 500MN Microwarpdrive

Bastion Module I
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Salvager II
Small Tractor Beam II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Warden II x2

Nothing shreds Serpentis Faster. Good against Angels, Mercs, Drones, and Guristas. Slower against Sansha and BR. I use the Null as much as the void. Use your MWD to get in their face instead of running like a scared little girl and sniping. Needs 5 hobgoblins and 5 salvagers. Generally don't need the hobbies much. Change your scripts to order.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#16 - 2016-02-16 06:41:31 UTC
looks about right, I'd just swap the Large Hybrid Burst Aerator I for a tech 2 version

oh and I prefer a medium deadspace rep for the cap stable ability, especially as disconnect protection.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#17 - 2016-02-16 06:53:38 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
looks about right, I'd just swap the Large Hybrid Burst Aerator I for a tech 2 version
oh and I prefer a medium deadspace rep for the cap stable ability, especially as disconnect protection.

Interesting. Do you basically run it non-stop?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#18 - 2016-02-16 07:25:33 UTC
I'd rather have 2 warp rigs. other then that nanofiber for quailty of life over a dc2? ye can see that. an extra track comp and mwd rather then 2 cap rechargers in mids. makes sense. Espec if I find I'm really not using tank much at all.

Will the fit work well out of Soe Lanngisi?

Will gank for food
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#19 - 2016-02-16 07:33:12 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
The Bigpuns wrote:
The kronos has a 4 slot tank and 3 cap mods. Again, drop an eanm and all the cap mods for two more magstabs and two more tc's.



With respect to Gankers, just fit as many T2 modules and make it as unattractive a target as possible.



t2 maras get ganked all the time. its a billion isk ship and someones going to come blow me up just to see if they can make me cry. As I can afford to replace them now I can fly it, but if I lose it to anything it will be a) a gank b) I dc having replaced loads of cap mods for dps ones.

Will gank for food
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#20 - 2016-02-16 13:34:05 UTC
Tarojan wrote:
t2 maras get ganked all the time. its a billion isk ship and someones going to come blow me up just to see if they can make me cry. As I can afford to replace them now I can fly it, but if I lose it to anything it will be a) a gank b) I dc having replaced loads of cap mods for dps ones.

It's a fairly rare occurance, actually.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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