EVE General Discussion

Pay 2 Win (P2W) is a relative term with vague and only personal meaning. Throwing it around like it has an Oxford dictionary entry certainty only mucks up the waters.

Even WoW and SWTOR aren't Pay 2 Win by the definitions people are tossing around in this thread. Money gets you bling, and maybe a quicker advancement so you don't have to slog through decades old story lines. I'm seeing the SP Trading in the same light, it's actually a function for veteran players more than rookies.

Speaking as a newbie myself, the game itself is a FAR greater challenge to take in and digest so spending time figuring out how to magically make or buy millions of ISK to magically get a fully trained character that I'd be like to train WRONG, is not high on my priority list.

SP Trading seems more gear for vet players to let toons dump unused SP for either ISK gain *OR* trade them to alts or alternate accounts to let a new or weaker toon train up fast to be competitive AT SOME OTHER ASPECT OF THE GAME. In my weak knowledge opinion, it's a tool for vets, not rookies. You guys are griping about something that all of you can use as vets and me as a newbie could only dream of getting enough ISK to BUY one of the darned things. I certainly wouldn't worry about the Richie Riches of the world that buy a 4 day old Titan flyer, they can't even unscrew up their Overlay yet. It's like the rich kid whose parents give him a Lamborghini and the first thing he does is put it into a ditch. He cries about it, leaves the game and his several hundred dollar donation behind with CCP which is money WE don't have to give CCP to keep playing. Say thank you and move on.

Now, I'm just a newbie. All of the above could be 100% crap and I wouldn't know it. However, it's up to us to decide to play the game we have or not, Use the functions of the game or not. Nothing is stopping you from playing it the old 'hard' way and ignoring the new changes... well, same can't be said for the new camera, but hey, I guess there is an advantage to being a newbie sometimes!

actually many veterans still 'play' this because they have so much isk and plexes in stock that they can be here years waiting something to happen or not.

On my view point last real expansion was worm holes back in 2009 or something, rest has been just some kind of remaking and recycling and adding ships.

Adding new ships and some new ways to play with those does not change the fact that there is no real new reason to undock your ship.

New players may find this game exiting for years as it was for me too, but too long for same thing just makes you lose the interest.

Those people complaining about paytowin, but who have 60 hours a week to play EVE, because their mom is paying their house and food, let somebody else pay to win. If you have that much time to build expereance and ISK you shouldn't complain about the casual player putting some real money in the game to improve their game a bit.

That money is used by CCP to develop the game you play as well.

Yes, the camera system. And citadels. And lots of other new stuff.

Or are you one of those rage-quiting people, who where shouting at the new icons as well?

"Scrapped" and probably due to licensing costs.

As to going on about bug fixes and balancing; we were getting so close with balancing and then they blew away frigates and some cruisers with the new destroyers.

Very exicited for this. I think the game graphics (ships/ stations / nebulas) look great when viewed at a distance. When zoomed in or close to an object then yes the textures look blurry/compressed. Awesome that citadels will have tech that will go some way to fixing this.


CCP Darwin has there been any discussion about the UI ? and how each patch there is more and more UI added ? Its a big concern of mine. I love eve's space and spaceship graphics but each patch more of my screen real estate gets eaten away by UI.

Im now even turning off the UI mid warp so I can atleast look at the space and enjoy it.

It would be nice if you released a minimalist UI version or allowed 3rd parties to submit their own UIs for use.

People only ask "What's new?" because they've been trained to think that novelty is nothing but positive. We have utterly lost the ability to ask "What is best?" because every single last opinion is as valid as any other. Any discussion of quality becomes an uncivil howling whirlpool of repeated opinions backed by middle school debating.
So you played EvE for two years, four years ago, and want a whole bunch of new things. Ok.
Try to understand, everybody, please, that some opinions are better than others due to insight, cleverness or even understanding of the game.
Luckily we have forums for customers to act tyrannical and vent their infantile trolling/querulousness without having to affect the game any more than needed.
This needed to be said, even if you are a troll.

A lot of those that want higher graphics have disk space to burn.

I am pretty sure that we would legally torrent a texture pack to each other, put it in a pre-determined folder and the Repair.exe can patch it into the cache or what ever.

(Personally, as ever, I would like to have an option to turn ships into elongated, three sided pyramids with a plain colour and no textures.)