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Realistically, the capacitor injectors are batteries, because you burn a charge to inject energy into the system.

The so-called batteries are in effect capacitors.

The way to use these, ideally speaking, and in an ideal world where you have midslots to burn, is on a solo Bhaalgorn. You jam on a capacitor booster, a large cap battery II. You can inject capacitor, get a larger capacitor pool, can suck capacitor and neut enemies, and you have a 28% resistance, which prevents you being capped out by enemy energy EWAR (in essence, it value-addds your own energy suckage 28% and increases your injected energy 28% versus inbound neuting).

That's the ideal scenario.

In reality, cap batteries outside of Bhaalgorns / Ashimmus (forget the Cruor; fittings still too high) would be restricted to other ships which cop drastic amounts of inbound neuts, such as capitals, Logistics cruisers, etc.

An illustration by comparison
Similar to the circular discussions over on the Shield power Relay and Shield Recharger Tiercide thread, where the CCP devs were stymied by actual maths and equations, one of the things really holding back capacitor batteries (aside from their fitting costs) is the proliferation of other modules which affect the capacitor stat.

As pointed out in the SPR thread, you have, for shields;
* Modules & rigs which increase resistance to damage
* Modules & rigs which increase buffer
* Modules & rigs which increase recharge rate
* Modules which decrease buffer and increase recharge rate
* Modules which actively inject using a charge
* Modules which actively inject, using energy
* PDU special snowflake

This is the same for energy systems (but not armour), save for the shield booster. The PDU is a special snowflake as it increases cap, shield, and PG.

Cap batteries = Invuls
Cap batteries = Shield extenders
Cap rechargers = Shield rechargers
Cap flux coil = Shield Power Relay
Cap booster = ASB
Shield booster = N/A
PDU special snowflake

Passive tanking
The maths for capacitor passive tanking are somewhat different than shield buffer / passive tanking. As said in the SPR thread, there's very few ships which can truly passive tank: the Drake, the Nereus, the Sigil and the Rattlesnake (+/- Svipul +/- Jackdaw). Everything else is better off in PVP or PVE with either buffer, sig tanking or active tanking.

This is defined purely by the interplay between midslots (buffer, invuls) and lowslots (SPR's, DCU), and leaves the Shield Recharger II as useless in either PVE or PVP in ALL situations. The maths are there, proved repeatedly, and some ideas on where to go with Shield Rechargers, SPR's and PDU's.

Passive Capacitor Tanking aka Cap Stability
When the armour RR and logistics cruiser changes were put about, I proposed a Guardian fit which would be cap stable solo using a capacitor battery. It's a viable fit, you robably want to fly it in pairs anyway, but it illustrated how much excess capacitor the Guardian has and how unbalanced that is.

For the purposes of this, it illustrates also that it is possible in some cases even pre the above proposed rebalance, that PVP appropriate passive capacitor can be achieved.

In PVE, passive capacitor tanking is known as being "cap stable" ie; the use of capacitor is balanced by the capacitor pool and natural regenration. This can be achieved by either increasing capacitor recharge rate (cap rechargers, CCC rigs), capacitor amount (Memcell rigs, Cap batteries) or mostly for armour ships, CPR's.

Similar to Shield Rechargers, Flux Coils are basically useless, as they dump the buffer and increase the rate, but that typically puts you in the can anyway, so no one ever uses Flux Coils.

Cap batteries in PVE can be used, like memcell rigs, to increase capacitor buffer to a point where adding cap rechargers will increase the recharge rate to the point where your capacitor use is balanced (guns or reppers it matters not). Whether you make this choice or not depends on slots, fitting and alternatives. For instance, CCC's are used in PVE because you aren't usually worried about resists to achieve a tank (you can fit rat-specific resists to max these out) and are patient enough to prioritise tank over gank (rat DPS is manageable), which means you may as well load up CCCs into the rigs versus eke out a hardwired resist bonus or a smidge more DPS. This isn't the same for PVP.


Capacitor Flux Coils
Now, until now the Cap Battery has not explicitly had a resistance to energy damage, and was kinda like an invul field which only worked part of the time at random, by reflecting some damage. With a straight up resist to Nos/Neuts, the cap flux coil could be a viable module if its capacitor bonus (ie buffer) attribute was stripped out and the resist left alone for a module that burned
* one midslot, or lowslot
* 1 PG
* 24-42 CPU.

If you look at a module like that, you would logically think "Booyah, heres capacitor warfare resistance module!" and you'd see them fit on all sorts of PVP ships.

This would strip a cap buffer option out of the game, but you could then keep this in the Cap Battery as long as;
* It provided size-appropriate capacitor buffer enhancements that are meaningful and not percentage based
eg; small provides 400 Capacitor (100$ of a frigate)
medium prodves 1200 capacitor (75% of a Omen)
large provides 3000 capacitor (50% of a geddon)

* as long as the PG and CPU costs were equivalent to the equivalent buffer modules for shield and/or armour.
eg; Small Capacitor Battery would cost 25-35 PG and 24-32 CPU (equivalent to a MSE which is a frigate sized tanking mdule)
Medium Cap Battery would cost 150-200 PG and 25-40 CPU (equivalent to an LSE or 800 plate)
Large Cap Battery would cost 400-500 PG, 30-45 CPU (a 1600 plate or LSE)

Well presented, level-headed, thoughtful, and explained well. You sir, I should hire to be my agent or something.

You gave some great imput and gave the Devs a nice, simple solution. I tried a more aggressive approach and that went over like a lead balloon. We all did our best to provide reasonable solutions to a problem the devs don't realize exists. In the end, all we can do is try. But if it falls on deaf ears, there's no counterplay for that.

Okay, I'll bite. What did the Kestrel ever do to anyone? o.O

It's probably because there are what... 5 of us in here trying? Not a lot of ground swell for these. No one cares about them right now. Therefore no one rallies for their improvement. : /

Just like the discussion on shield flux coils.

I recall something...were you the one who jokingly asked CCP to nerf mining drones to see what they'd do? And that's when they nerfed Skynet carriers?

Have that movie on DVD, love that scene. Awesome movie overall :)

Because for the most part what can be said is and unless you threaten some ones comfy game play like make it harder to kill a freighter your not going to get enough drive for people to want to repeat themselves

I'm hoping ccp is aware at least of the fitting issue on all sizes and just haven't given out new numbers hopefully once they hit sisi we will see that an adjustment happened at that level if nothing else

I hear ya there. But I also feel like it's kinda...stalkerish? To pursue someone through other forums (pun not intended) if you've already tried contacting them through one established method.

This is also something I keep hearing a lot. I don't know if it's true, but I hope that it isn't (that devs pay attention to other places like Reddit more than they pay attention to their own forums). Because if that's true, then it's absolute rubbish. Would any consumer group, in any other circumstance, tolerate giving feedback to a company through a dedicated customer service phone line, but the powers that be don't listen to the messages there and instead listen for customer complaints extreme enough to hit the 10 O'Clock news? It'd be outrageous.

I've never been to reddit, and I don't plan on ever going to reddit. These forums were specifically built for the people who play this game, and I don't know what another forum can offer that these forums cannot, other than imput from people who haven't actually played the game.

Other forums, and I suppose reddit too, could be valuable as marketing tools when cool things happen in EvE that you would want to announce to the rest of the world. Stuff like huge battles, massive corp theft, or other interesting game happenings. But it's not the place to get constructive feedback since I'm assuming there's no way to filter out people who don't play the game and know the limitations therein. Would you go to a Wal*Mart to solicit feedback on how a "Mom & Pop" store down the street should run their business? Of course not, it sounds ludicrous on its face, and so does the idea of gathering feedback through other channels.

TL;DR I hope that despite the reputation, devs pay attention to their forums and not reddit.