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I think this is a great idea, now all you need to do is get CCP to make it so a support fleet with a freighter can actually do something against bumpers and gankers in general, without having to resort to being as bad as them (ganking the bumper).

The game mechanics are already there for it, the server can tell when someone gets bumped and how hard, so why not make it a real mechanic so there can be an active, legal counter (aside from webbing the freighter off, which doesn't always work) to bumpers.

If a freighter pilot needs others with him (or multiple accounts) to counter bumpers, then there should be some risk for the bumper. CCP will never do this, the outcry from gankers would be endless.
Honestly, look how defensive Baltec is over the mere suggestion bumping be made a legitimate mechanic that has legitimate repercussions.

Just think, bait freighters in highsec flying around specifically looking for bumping machs to kill. Oh the tears from the self entitled!!!

Logi.




Bump the bumpers, web the freighter, get a fast ship 150km out in front of a bumped freighter and warp to it. You have counters to bumping, not using them does not mean you should get more.

When will you realise the hull buffer has nothing to do with why they are fit, Hull tanking aside?

I cannot belive you are so hard of comprehension thus can only conclude that you are trolling.

Or perhaps sufficiently bad that you like sub-par fit ships.

Because people misunderstand where the bulk of the buff that modules gives a ship comes from, doesn't make them authorities on the subject.

Dumb people might have removed the mod, but maybe we shouldn't balance them and their silly fits?

I mean, you're not even prepared to man up and post a single fit. I think the phrase is all mouth and no trousers.

So that is quite a handy example.

If before the changes you dropped the DCU you'd have roughly 1933 ehp and 74 dps tank. Now you'll have 2117 and 74 tank.

With a DC that is 2739 & 85.


What I am trying to say is that if the fit can work acceptably without a DC today, it almost certainly could have done so before the changes. 184 EHP (the gap between pre and post patch) isn't going to make or break it when we consider the drop in active tank.

The DCU fit is still light years ahead in terms of EHP and active tank capability.

If that makes sense?


Sure, there will be the odd fit that gets away with it, but they almost certainly would have worked without it before.

My main concern is effects of Ehp inflation: more specifically (and bias) is Minmatar Artillery. It's already probably the least used turret group.. sporting the rock bottom lowest dps, even before reload time, worst tracking in game.. but .. you got the alpha.
All hull resists just got at 33% increase across the board, regardless of fit. It's turning modules that rely on alpha strike to 'do something' into something that is bordering on poor choice/un-useable.

Now I'm aware this is a 'small' buff to over all ehp .. and most would of probably fit a dcu, atleast meta one before the changes anyhow, but even industrial ships make it harder, the small arty got buffed when it was realized on release of the Svipul that that.. well sucked. and that was boosted a little.

The only practical use of Artillery atm is kite frigates (rails usually the better option) , or high-sec gank tornadoes.

Back on topic..

The over all EHP buff to modules/turrets that effects are (further) diminished by another rise in ehp, is this being considered or just brushed under the rug because it's a 'small nerf' to an already under represented/powered type?

There are no groups that try to stop bots (except CCP) and AFK pilots have for the most part been unchanged. There's no reason people shouldn't still be able to gank retrievers other than them being too mad.

Arty fits aren't about dps, they are about alpha which no other weapon system can match.

Arty machs, used right will alpha just about anything from an mwd cruiser, up to a carrier off the field.

The very slight ehp buff (if there even is one) just means you need 1 more arty fit ship in your fleet, not a big deal.

EDIT; What we don't need is more buffs to turrets and modules. There is enough power creep now.

We just got some power creep with this change

There's just too much salt in these posts now man. And no, as I have from the start, all I've stated is that some people definitely will choose not to us a DCU. You scream "NOONE WILL CHANGE!" is wrong, it's that simple. You're just saying it because yo're all mad. Well the change is done now buddy, so get over it or ragequit like a pro.