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Isk tanks dont exist in EVE and never should, its a ****** way to balance things.





You need to brush up on your history before you continue down this path.

The insurance nerf massively hurt ganking as it removed fully insured battleships from gankers. There has been other nerfs that have also hurt ganking from faster concord response times to more ship HP right up to the change to make concord untankable.

It is a welcome rebalance that strengthens freighters, no matter if that is the job it is supposed to do or just a side effect.

Only if by "break the balance" you mean "shift the balance towards disadvantaged ships". Which, like I said, is a welcome rebalance.

Don't worry, I am not trying hard at all. I welcome any rebalance that better protects defenseless ships from gankers. Obviously you and other gankers call this "shitposting". So what, nobody cares.

no one ever said anything about isk tanks there is this thing called risk vs reward which barely applies to ganking now that the wrecks for the freighter/JF are 15 k hp their loot isnt getting poped by thrashers any more. they have a risk free way to tackle anything in high sec using npc corp alts in machariels to bump stuff till they get the gank squad there. their should be some risk in ganking stuff it shouldnt be just worth it to gank empty ships that cost 10-20x more the the cost of ships doing the gank. (even cheaper when using catlysts just requires more people/cooridination)

if anything there is a gank shield for gankers it is just to easy to gank very expensive ships with very cheap ship and u can do it with characters a week old in dirt cheap t1 fit catalysts and the ships they gank can be high skill req tech 2 hulls that is far from balanced risk vs reward it heavly favours gankers still.





the insurance nerf did nothing the proof is in how rapment ganking is today the only people that got hurt by the insurance nerf where the ones not willing to make more friends to join them and that is their own fault. and the insurance nerf didn't hurt gankers at all period it gave them a very marginal amount of risk vs reward for something that was basically no risk at all before that nerf. as for the concord buffs those all happened so long ago that it dont matter and that was pure balance fixes not a nerf to ganking it was making something that was totally broken beyond all beleif and giving it a very tiny balance fix. gankers just dont want any risk but want all the reward lol instead every one else has all the risk for much lower reward being the victim.

Yup. Carebears would set themselves on fire if they thought it would hurt gankers.

No you can't.

A viable number. Less than some of the ganks I've been in where we've done a shocking amount of overkill in a 1.0 because people didn't want to be left behind.

Of course they do. Smartbomb ganks on multiboxers are done in battleships. The only reason they are less common is because there's less multiboxers, not because gankers were punished.

Success! They will be less of a must have mod, and no ships appear to be broken. Good job CCP!

Sorry but if all ships need to have DC, why not keep it as it is, and just make DC passive module.
Nothing will change in terms of resists and EHP - freighters and Jump Freighters incapable of mounting a DC - introduce one designed specially for them. 'Tears' Sansha Modified Damage Control; - 99% CPU requirements for Capital Industrial Ships.

No free resits, but hard choices.
Mount DCU or something else.

I think that you agree with me, that if DC will be "still a 100% must have mod" then nothing will actually change.

No they don't, they simply keep themselves in a position where they are least likely to bo chosen as gank targets. They certainly don't consider themselves ungankable otherwise they wouldn't have collateral limits.

What's a T1 cat, let's drastically undersell them and say 400 dps? Let's say a prepped system with about 25 seconds of gank time, 1 million EHP would take around 100 t1 catalysts, or like 150m-200m isk to gank.

Nowhere near as many and nowhere near as big. To be clear though, your whining that you can't exploit the mechanics to gank for free and instead have to pay the aforementioned 200m isk to gank a 7b isk capital ship. Lol.

I'll be dropping the DCU on a few of my ships, thus making it not a 100% must have mod. Why would I hate a playstyle I actively participate in? I'm just honest enough to know when the balance is tipped way in my favour and am willing to push for changes that would negatively affect me for the good of the game. Understand that I participate in ganking, and I pay for all of my hauling (as it's too time consuming to make it worth my time) so I will have tougher gank targets and less chance of getting a payout from the collateral (which I always set higher than my margins) when freighters get blapped. You can pretend this is about me hating a playstyle, but the reality is I'm just more willing to adapt to positive changes for the whole game than you. You just want to protect your easy gameplay. HTFU.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/3mjixv/red_frog_freight_pilots_whats_it_like_being_space/cvg9z8t

What's it like being that wrong?


Here's a nice little tl;dr: