EVE General Discussion

…not even half as good as the old camera, since it is still far more automated, imprecise, clumsy, and lacking in features.

It still has nonsensical non-linear and uneven acceleration on its different axes. It requires tons of additional keypresses to do things that required one or none before. It completely lacks quick and intuitive resets. It completely lacks settings persistence and a number of manual controls.

The only one doing that is you. Pretty much everyone else is complaining for a very good reason: because CCP is making an idiotic decision to remove critical functionality from one of the most important systems in the game. They also generally offer very specific and detailed criticisms towards the new camera and the main ways in which it fails to offer the functionality of the old one.

Can you submit a bug report for this, preferably with video uploaded to Youtube or Vimeo or something like that? This does not sound like a camera issue to me.

Feel free to mail me ingame with the bug report number if you do.

Explore interface please.

Tactical camera + turn off overlay. After every jump or undock.
The old camera was simple and functional. It (or something which works exactly like it) should still be available. The simplest answer I can see is by making the tactical camera just remember where it was before, and not turn on overlay every time you jump or undock.

Its not about change. I welcome change. New ships, capital rework, module tiericide, grid changes all good things. Its about destroying functionality for the sake of fluff. This isnt change its destruction and poor design decisions.

If you actually read some if the problems and complaints ppl have been posting (particularly in the feedback thread) this would be apparrent. The new camera has serious functionality issues, glitches and unintended physiological effects.

..because that will really make a difference. Testers have been complaining about lack of tracking camera and many of these issues since SiSI but that didn't stop CCP from rolling it out on production and "gracing" us with a 1 month reprieve from this horrid camera.

I've posted my feelings on the feedback thread and every thread on this new camera I could find. Still not holding out much hope anything will be fixed since the only feedback we get (similar to this thread) is to file a bug report if a full-blown bug is found. CCP's wording in the unboxing isn't exactly encouraging either



Makes it sound like "we're ready to go, but let us know if you find any bugs"

The fact that there are already multile threads and details in the unboxing of how to make the new camera behave like the old should be reasoning enough that the changes aren't great/wanted. Still, the only deal breaker for me is the tracking camera toggle. It's mind-boggling why this was removed.

Hello CCP,

If you folks would not mind I think a large majority of pilots would greatly appreciate your leaving the old camera system alone for the time being until the new can be fully sorted out complete with the option to keep the old system.

I have tried over and over to come to grips with it...and had to turn it off. For someone used to dancing the camera in conjunction with dscan (old version as well) to pin targets rapidly....the new camera simply does NOT get the job done. Some examples:

Old camera....easy to dscan while in warp. New camera....good luck with that.
Old camera...jump in system....note target on dscan and pivot camera while narrowing down (and grumbling over the stupid scanner re-calibrating).....new camera...jump in and fight to remain oriented with dscan.

The new camera is just not very useful for the pro scout or hunter. It might be pretty....but like the new map (that I also find generally unpleasant and still use the old) it is not overly functional.

A cosmetic change that breaks gameplay flow is ill-advised.

Thanks

Bone

**edit**p.s. the failure of the tac overlay in the new camera system to remain constant is also a PITA. Also laggy in my opinion.

What this guy said.

To be fair, 15 pages of complaints is not really an indication of 'the vast majority of players'. Truly controversial features get much more than that.

The devs clearly put a lot of effort on the new camera, I think they deserve some credit. For one thing, the current TQ version is already way better than the SiSi one.

There are lots of new functionalities, whether you like them or not depends on personal taste. For example, I love the exponential speed since it's faster to completely zoom in and out. And the tracking, though different, is much snappier than before.

Regarding tracking people warping away, I believe they're 'fixing' it. Though it still is possible to see where people warped to, you just have to manually move the view. You could also argue that this would be a good thing as chasing people would require more player skill (and I say this as a hunter).

The last proposal I read from the devs regarding dscan (press a key, click on celestial, automatic dscan in that direction) also sounds better to me than the current clicking celestial then clicking scan with tracking toggled on.


Anyways, it's fine to voice your concerns and this time I see the devs putting a lot of effort into getting it right.

You can return the ship to the center by disabling the "offset" options of the new camera in the graphics menu. That also helps with nausea.

I love change.

When it adds new functionality, doesn't remove functionality and is a improvement for players.

Can this be said of this change?