EVE General Discussion

The SP has to come from another character so the time was invested before.

But not from the person injecting the SP, that's the point.

Your post proves my point that there really is no basis in this anger. Age of a char was "possible" intel but the ship he was flying in was more reliable information. If you just went off age alone you would assume that my char is 150 million ,but in reality it is 50 as I was gone for 5 years. So the question I must ask is why did you join Eve post 08? I just instant gratified myself by picking up a pvp toon right out the gate and no restrictions and funded all my purchases with gtc's. I would consider that p2w as I was stomping on new bros all day long until someone who actually knew how to pvp showed me up.

Also good one, earning skill "honorable" . Are you going to rp this argument? Tell me how it is dishonurbur for me to get new kids to go to low sec to mission with me? Or me suicide ganking miners? Or scamming people in Jita? Or stealing from a pve corporation? Well guess HTFU was never part of Eve since 08 as I funded all my purchases in GTC's and stomped on people who couldn't afford to buy one and had to mine or mission to plex their account.

That is why I have a hard time understanding these arguments and I take so much enjoyment from this thread. I love the temper tantrums that really have no basis as for some reason it never dawned on people that it was possible since 08 for people to purchase a high lvl character and I didn't do just one, I gotten multiples.

Also, it wasn't newbros that bought all that sp it is current players and returning players that liquidated their alts. If newbros are smart and there was no sp trading they would just do the same thing I did and still stomp on people that are less experienced. I am quite entertained.

Why use a car to go to the shops, surely it's more honourable to walk.


Times change, just as well as we would all be still in caves.

but...but...but mah honour!

How will I feel superior about my strict adherence to space bushido?

My secondary account character is being biomassed, my main will follow later this week.

I see no point in playing anymore, I have invested (real life money) in injectors and maxed out last skills I have ever wanted / planned to have. I have had around 55 billions ISKs in wallet and all the ships I need/want. More importantly I can buy everything for real life money, there is simply no point in doing anything anymore. But people will still not call it pay to win (just because you can beat other player in pvp because you are personally better skilled player doesn´t change the fact you can now buy basically anything in this game for real life money, you know...).

So at the moment I need to sell rest of my items and I have already bought like 45 PLEX (hopefully I can get much higher when I sell the 30 mils skill points I can) I will distribute between my friends before I leave (or I could take them to shuttle for a fly ). At least they can stop farming for a while (farming to plex account) and actually have some fun.

Have fun guys o7

Learning how to fit a ship hasn't changed.

I boosted this character by 18.5 million sp as I'm sure a lot of you already know.

Which doesn't mean I know anymore about the game than I did before, the learning process has not been effected, you still have to learn. Players will still have to learn how to play and how to fit their ships.

All I gained was the ability to do more things, it also evened up a solo fight with a similar ship in terms of sp but only sp.

Teamwork hasn't been effected, not sure why you even said it was.

I don't respect attributes because they were always more of a hindrance to the game than a help, especially in the earlier stages and the attribute implants at all stages. Unless you were sat in a safe spot with +5 fitted. I'm sure they led to many players not getting involved as they risked the implants as well as tending to keep you training with the main attributes you have set instead of freely being able to choose what to train. IRL you can pick and choose what to train, don't see why that should be any different here.

What the hell, I have seen a word HONORABLE here.


HONORABLE in EVE, what does that mean?

I never liked the idea of SP injectors, for me the whole aspect of buying skills to customise your characters in this way goes against one of the most fundamental things I enjoyed about eve. The progression. Everyone was on the same level, you had to think plan and live with choices. Its something that made the game different to everything else. Sure you could buy a character of the bazzar but it wasnt your character... it was someone else's imo a big difference to being able to freely customise your own character.

As has been stated many times over there are still many other aspects of the game not affected yet... but this kind of mindset... oh I can go boost my char by 18.5m sp to give me more choices and options so I can have fun... , skills and progression are not deemed as fun for this new player base. Now that we have given the ability for everyone to just buy their characters skills and make them how they want why have skills at all? Let everyone do everything let everyone be maxed out when a new ship or mod comes into the game just let everyone have access to it instantly.

I really do feel that CCP picked a quick win for an instant cash injection and personally feel that this has probably shortened the life of the game and this fundamental change of philosphy will do more damage in the long term. It certainly has devalued EVE for me.

I didn't realize new accounts got tons of free skill-points handed to them to catch up. I assumed new players just had the option to buy skill-points through injectors and would end up paying around 3x as much as older players have.