EVE General Discussion

Hi All

I'm probably going to get a fair bit of grief about this but I want to know why CCP has devalued Eve and by devalued I am referring to SP trading

Eve's greatest strength has always been that you had to earn, learn and grow within Eve, you learnt how skills, ship's, fittings, weapons, industry et all worked

You did this by training skills and working things out with corp buddies, you also valued your skill points, after all some skills could take you 30 or more days to train for

So now you can pay some Isk and buy an injector and jump up your skills, you have lost more than what you think you have gained

You have lost that value, teamwork and understanding element that you had when before this "feature" you had respec'ed your attributes, stuffed implants into your head asked your buddies how to get towards your goal and train, all these things that made Eve, Eve

OK i know this probably isn't the end of Eve but this IS a fundamental shift in how and what Eve is, Eve has just been drastically changed by CCP and for what? Simple answer is money,

After all Eve is CCP's only viable money making product and is getting as much as it can out of our wallets, well they have to pay for the development of new products but devaluing Eve to do so doesn't make sense

WoW is pay to win, you can buy a maxed out character for $40 and unfortunately Eve is now on the same path, some might say that this is the beginning of the eve for Eve, i for one hope not

Yup, i know that a lot of people will disagree with me and they will argue that SP trading is the best thing since sliced bread and that others will be in the opposite camp

I guess time will tell and we'll all find out if Eve survives or dies

Cheers

Ged

do we really need anymore discussion posts about sp trading sheesh.

If you think eve is pay2win then get a newbro to fly a max level raven into lowsec/null and see if he wins

Cash is king.

Because they probably made a cool $1 million in one day, compared to in 1 month previously.

As far as all that in-game social stuff that you value, look at it from a non-gamer's point of view: you're such a loser for wasting your life with a GAME, lol! You could be out there making friends and getting laid in RL.

Basically, it's all worthless.

Ignore this guys post. He is a troll and will troll you endlessly on this same question over and over again regardless of the facts you present to him.

To the OP, you are correct. This game have been greatly devalued with the addition of this pay2win feature and can no longer be called Eve. This game is now called World of Spaceships, Eve is dead!

No, the new skill trading is not "pay to win".

And yes, yes it did Devalue some very important things in the game. In odd ways too, last night was the 1st ngiht in a long time I didn't play EVE for at least an hour. I've got 20 bil in my wallet just from selling unwanted SP from alts I don't even use, and this is without touching my main characters (the 4 I use everytime I log in) or the 4 other alts I sometimes use. But last night it was like 'what's the point, it's not like I need the isk lol'.

And I will be able to do it again and again and again because of my +5 learning implant SP farming toons. This lessens the need to fly around in space actually doing things to get isk, which lessens the excitement of getting a good spawn or good drop or finding a good complex or exploration site.

Even if the demand goes down, it won't go down far. Just like there is always a new demand for
PLEX (and other things like SOE items , which is why even after all the SOE mission farming people are still doing it), there will always be players who want an SP short cut.

Problem is that CCP just gave some of us even less reason to actually play the game. Before this change, the "SP farmers" were the guys who could stand to deal with the horribly inefficent Char Baazar. Now's it's, well everyone.

You do know we're playing a game right?

How fun would soccer be if you got 10 goals awarded to you just by stepping on the field? Isk/wealth is already too easy to make, now it's even easier and will be easier still when CCP adds that 'tribute' scheme.

For anything to mean anything, it must be fairly rare and not so easy to get a hold of. That's why Gold is a precious metal and dirt is dirt. CCP keeps adding new ways to make isk into dirt.

Apparently just being James 315 is winning.

--Gadget - not winning EvE

It's not pay to win. But the game feels different now.

Before, there was a hard cap on your character's SP gain. Didn't matter how rich you were, your character advanced at the same max speed as everyone else.

Now your character's advancement is limited by your wallet, and of course by the number of injectors on the market.

EVE now has a two-tier character advancement system: time based basic tier, and time+money based premium tier.