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People were saying the same thing about Liquid Ozone last time, too. Yet, here we are, with LO3 barely affected.

Before: Fully mining out a high sec belt provides fuel for a single large tower for 436 hours.
After: Fully mining out a high sec belt would provide enough stront to fuel a single large tower for 10 hours.


Before: Fully mining out a deep null belt provides enough fuel to run a single large tower for 3670 hours.
After: Fully mining out a deep null sec belt would provide enough stront to fuel a single large tower for 776 hours.


Not exactly the same thing as liquid O, which is basically the bottleneck that gives the "before" values.

Edit: Numbers were based on the spreadsheet posted upthread, which has since been changed, so I've changed this as well.

The overwhelming majority of deep null belts are not cycled. There is plenty of room here.

so, demand will increase while supply stay mean that more isk for Null alliance to spent on

won't be surprised to see a lot of organized ice mining fleet if stront price smash through roof

Somebody give this pilot a medal for saying what all of us (except CCP) was thinking.

The point of ice belts, in their current iteration, was to limit the amount of POS fuel which could be produced in high security space. If you, CCP, want to further curb how much fuel we can make, then this will certainly do the job with flair. In a world where you want strontium to not be worthless but to also not have it destroy the fuel market, you should strongly consider absolutely no more than 2 or 3 strontium per batch of fuel blocks unless you greatly increase how much strontium is in all forms of ice across the board.

Yes they're proposing four skills for now, but Citadels are going to be around forever. There's no way those four will be it, so this will happen again and again with the backlog of crap "mandatory" skills that new players would have to train will grow. And four 2x skills is the same as one 8x skill. And they could give 1/2% bonus per level. This is EVE. We go for every advantage we can get because our enemies do the same.

Also I do not like the idea of telling my corp "Hey, these stupid skills that you don't want to train are now mandatory. Have them trained to IV by next week. Oh and the fact that your mapping isn't optimal, too bad. Shoulda remapped to Charisma and Willpower, obviously." That's not a fun gameplay mechanic, and isn't good for the game.

So your saying I need to get a hold of 140000 Stront to build enough blocks to fuel a Large POS for 30 days and I still need to, you know, actually fill the Stront bay of the tower because Stront in fuel blocks does nothing to a POS?

Lets do some quick math here: lets say there are 12k Large Towers worth of Fuel Blocks used a month in the entire game(which I think is low, but lets go with it). If you add stront at the quoted amounts to those fuel blocks, you are dumping an extra 3,360,000,000m3 (for the best possible case of only one jump) worth of logistics load on the game, per month, coming from nullsec to highsec. That's at the very least just under 9000 extra trips in caldari jump freighters per month (again in the best possible conditions) to keep things working as they currently are.

Do you really expect the dwindling eve nullsec player base to mine up +1,680,000,000 units of stront per month with no other changes to the stront make-up in ice? Nearly 12 million Krystallos blocks a month.

If you guys plan on putting stront in fuel blocks you need to really sit down and run the numbers on this. I don't think you are taking this very seriously. This is potentially a game breaking change, and if implemented as is will have wild and unpredictable effects on reactions and fuel blocks, and as a consequence the T2 markets. More changes and thought is needed. We have lots of time to think about and discuss the need for a reinforcement fuel for citadels. Lets not break the backbone of the T2 market while doing it please.

My panties might be soiled but at least I don't wear them on my head. Please for the love of bob take another look at this.

That's beyond silly, it's downright insane. Has CCP even run the numbers? (hint: saying "400, uh ho no, now it's 200" doesn't seems like they even thought about where would come from all that strontium).

See, I am a ice miner. If one component in ice becomes extremely scarce and valuable, that will benefit me in the short term, until the game economy literally runs out of fuel.

CCP should make a drastic change to either the requirements or the supply, or both, so there is no strontium bottleneck or it is largely the same size as the current bottleneck.

Are there any more details or planned blog release soon about how the management is going to work in Citadel? There talk about the new system but I haven't seen any details.

Dear Mr CCP Ytterbium -

I ice mine roughly 50% of my playing time to keep a POS running. I have not sold Stront nor do I use Stront for anything I do. I have been ice mining in High Sec for more than 2 years.

I have roughly 20,000 units of Stront on hand. Based on your current post. I can build 100 batches of Citadel fuel and then if I ice mine for another year I can make 50 more.

I guess I will not be in the market for a Medium Citadel for the next or say....20 years, and then I will have to sell it within a year.

Sorry 200 Stront per 40 blocks of fuel, when it takes roughly 220 units of ice or about 3 hours of boost ice mining to make a single batch of fuel is {sorry about what is to come} NUTS!

Sure Citadels can be used in all types of space, but only the Null Sec folks are going to be able to sustain them.

Please reconsider this requirement. Leave the fuel blocks alone and find something else to do with Stront if you must. Making fuel is already a time consuming chore - please don't make it worse!