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Too punitive when using your on SP for a Respec?
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Ruune en Gravonere
Running with Dogs
OnlyFleets.
#1 - 2016-02-10 11:43:00 UTC
Does anyone else think that if you extract your own SP and re-inject into the same char you should only be subject to the minimum SP loss?

After all this is just an opportunity to 'remap' your actual skill points with no Isk making involved

I'm sure this approach wouldn't dent the obvious new Plex purchasing/selling opportunities afforded by this new mechanic, the market for in char skill re-allocation is going to be limited and most of this trade will be for lower SP chars wanting a jump start

Thoughts?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#2 - 2016-02-10 11:45:49 UTC
No. The same (large) losses should be incurred precisely because it removes the ability to remap your SP.
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
OnlyFleets.
#3 - 2016-02-10 11:46:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
no because being able to specialise character for the fotm isnt a great idea

PS. nice jacket and haircut Cool

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#4 - 2016-02-10 13:07:26 UTC
The diminishing returns are there to stop people abusing the hell out of it by constantly respeccing characters with high SP.

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Feyd's Survival Pack
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#5 - 2016-02-10 13:11:27 UTC
Ruune en Gravonere wrote:
Thoughts?





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Memphis Baas
#6 - 2016-02-10 13:26:17 UTC
Also, right now your SP go into an injector that is, as far as the database is concerned, the same as everyone else's. Basically, the information of what character it came from is lost. It would probably be a pain to track it.

If they do implement SP reallocation (for the same character), it will probably be simpler to just code the interface so you can pay your Aur fee and not have to use extractors or injectors. I think they're considering this, but are probably waiting for the Aria functionality. That way they don't have to code as much.

It'll still have penalties, though.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#7 - 2016-02-10 13:34:29 UTC
I read the OP was saying "why can't I have my cake and eat it too?"..
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#8 - 2016-02-10 13:52:10 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
I read the OP was saying "why can't I have my cake and eat it too?"..
There was cake?

I heard that it was a lie.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#9 - 2016-02-10 14:08:18 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
I read the OP was saying "why can't I have my cake and eat it too?"..

im not disagreeing with you but
what fecking edjit buys cake without a reasonably expectation of being able to eat itQuestion

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Lan Wang
African Atomic.
OnlyFleets.
#10 - 2016-02-10 14:44:28 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
I read the OP was saying "why can't I have my cake and eat it too?"..


Yeah i get it, "hey why my corp keep changing doctrines and i cant just change my skills to match" Roll

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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#11 - 2016-02-10 14:53:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
I thought the same thing. But I hadn't considered it from the abusive angle, just wanted to tweak my character a little. But the abuse angle is a good one, because this is EvE.

Ahh well, so much for that idea. Thanks for posting. Thanks Tippia, Lan, Memphis, and Jonah for explaining. I learned something today.

Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
I read the OP was saying "why can't I have my cake and eat it too?"..

im not disagreeing with you but
what fecking edjit buys cake without a reasonably expectation of being able to eat itQuestion



I've always hated that cliche myself. It doess't make any more sense when someone explains it either. It's kinda like a joke, if someone has to explain it, you're still not gonna laugh.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2016-02-10 14:57:35 UTC
Iria Ahrens wrote:


Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
I read the OP was saying "why can't I have my cake and eat it too?"..

im not disagreeing with you but
what fecking edjit buys cake without a reasonably expectation of being able to eat itQuestion



I've always hated that cliche myself. It doess't make any more sense when someone explains it either. It's kinda like a joke, if someone has to explain it, you're still not gonna laugh.


Maybe it means they want to have a cake and also eat a cake. Like 2 total cakes involved?
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#13 - 2016-02-10 18:03:33 UTC
@OP:
no. The loss is to prevent just that, *****!
Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
#14 - 2016-02-10 22:52:26 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
I read the OP was saying "why can't I have my cake and eat it too?"..


Unrelated to the OT and mentioning that I don't side with the OP's argument, but what is a cake worth if you can't eat it when you have it? If I can't eat the cake, then I don't want it in the first place.

That "saying" sucks is what it boils down to. Find another one.
Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2016-02-10 23:02:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Tisiphone Dira
Logan Revelore wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
I read the OP was saying "why can't I have my cake and eat it too?"..


Unrelated to the OT and mentioning that I don't side with the OP's argument, but what is a cake worth if you can't eat it when you have it? If I can't eat the cake, then I don't want it in the first place.

That "saying" sucks is what it boils down to. Find another one.


Once it's eaten, you can no longer have it, get it? It makes a bit more sense if you phrase it the opposite way "you can't eat your cake and have it too" like a nutter or somebody from before the 20th century.

This is actually a moderately famous thing in (forensic) linguistics because it's how they caught the unabomber. His manifesto released to the public had the cake saying phrased the opposite way which convinced his brother that 'hey maybe my wife is right, my brother says that...' which then led to the tip off and further analysis of his writings, which was enough for a search warrent...

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2016-02-11 07:33:25 UTC
Tisiphone Dira wrote:
Logan Revelore wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
I read the OP was saying "why can't I have my cake and eat it too?"..


Unrelated to the OT and mentioning that I don't side with the OP's argument, but what is a cake worth if you can't eat it when you have it? If I can't eat the cake, then I don't want it in the first place.

That "saying" sucks is what it boils down to. Find another one.


Once it's eaten, you can no longer have it, get it? It makes a bit more sense if you phrase it the opposite way "you can't eat your cake and have it too" like a nutter or somebody from before the 20th century.

This is actually a moderately famous thing in (forensic) linguistics because it's how they caught the unabomber. His manifesto released to the public had the cake saying phrased the opposite way which convinced his brother that 'hey maybe my wife is right, my brother says that...' which then led to the tip off and further analysis of his writings, which was enough for a search warrent...

if you eat your cake you still have it. nobody else has it.

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Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2016-02-11 07:50:36 UTC
Nobody has it, it's gone, eaten, devoured, consumed, gobbled, inhaled, ingested, om-nom-nomed.

There once was a ganker named tisi

A stunningly beautiful missy

To gank a gross miner

There is nothing finer, cept when they get all pissy
Ibutho Inkosi
Doomheim
#18 - 2016-02-11 08:03:02 UTC
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Dracarys.
#19 - 2016-02-11 14:04:51 UTC
No.

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