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The forthcoming Skill Injector price bubble

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#61 - 2016-02-21 11:48:03 UTC
rtodeto wrote:
If you are a >80m skillpoint character , which dont need any additional skillpoints, did the skllpoint trading change made this a freetoplay game for them ? (farming skillpoints then selling this skillpoints to buy plex to buy gametime) And if so, how much would this cost ccp in subscription fees ? And how long before ccp intervenes to remove this situation ?


Uh - that's not costing CCP a cent.

It means that instead of CCP getting money via a subscription from the 80m SP character, they are getting money from the person that bought the PLEX the 80m SP character consumed, PLUS the Aurum consumed to create the SP extractors.

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rtodeto
champaign
#62 - 2016-02-21 12:54:39 UTC
I disagree. The subscription model has substiantial benifits For a Company over one time purchases, like plex or aurum. subscription through there predictability , generaties longterm , steady revenues. A plexed , aurum,player could buy For a thousand dollar on plex and aurum , spend It, Play one month , decides its nothing For him and leave the game again. As a Company you cent base budgets For the next year on such erratic/variable revenue. One year such erratic revenue Will Be through the roof, the next year It might be in the dumpster , while the salaries are fixed costs.

But I suppose your answer implies that indeed the 80million+ players have goten themselves a freetoplay game through the skilltrading mechanism.
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#63 - 2016-02-21 15:17:10 UTC
Told you.
Janna Shihari
Isk Happens
#64 - 2016-02-22 00:04:55 UTC
People using the word "rational" to define conformity to their thinking are simply arrogant.

"Rational" is a characteristic of humans that cannot be defined in a normative way, but only in a descriptive way.
Praal
Bearded BattleBears
#65 - 2016-02-22 10:28:42 UTC
The price of injectors is limited in relation to the price of PLEX and extractors. If the profit from SP of a month of training surpasses a PLEX, a huge number of 5.5+M SP characters will instantly be turned into SP farms. At that point any/all inactive accounts (with 5.5+M SP) are worth activating, and any/all (with 5.5+M SP) character slots are worth dual-training.

For example, I currently produce 1 character's worth of SP because I have one account that has 3 specialized, maxed-for-their-purpose chars. One of them now also serves as an SP producer just to offset some of the account cost. However, if injector profits surpassed PLEX. I would instantly dual-train 11 other characters as SP farm. This is the case for many people who have specialized characters who aren't training now, but are already over 5.5M, or characters on inactive accounts (how many inactive accounts for miners/bombers are floating around from the time before the broadcasting ban?).
Big Lynx
#66 - 2016-02-27 15:37:50 UTC
Any ideas on injectors price forecast? Have some hundreds rotting in my hangar. Selling? Keeping?
Adunh Slavy
#67 - 2016-03-03 01:48:55 UTC
The supply will never be higher than it is now.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
rtodeto
champaign
#68 - 2016-03-03 16:05:03 UTC
Big Lynx wrote:
Any ideas on injectors price forecast? Have some hundreds rotting in my hangar. Selling? Keeping?


I would wait until after 6th march. I think there was a dev blog that said that aurum would become more expensive, from this date, this will probably have a impact on the price of skill extractors, probably they will rise, which probably will also cause the price of skill injectors to rise accordingly. When the skill injectors price has stabilized, I would sell.

Eve-central show that the tables for skill injectors have turned, with respect to the amount of buy orders vs sell orders.

https://eve-central.com/home/quicklook.html?typeid=40520

Before last week or so, there were more buy orders then sell orders, which meant that the price of skill injectors could rise. Since last week there are more sell orders then buy orders, currently 5173 units in sell orders, vs 4667 in buy orders, which means the price will decline.

I suppose the sp farmers have caught up with the amount of skill injectors buyers..

This is the only item, on market, were its interesting to sell at a loss, as its offsets subscription costs..
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#69 - 2016-03-03 17:07:38 UTC
Lord Ra
Sicarius.
#70 - 2016-03-09 12:24:09 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Demand will decline somewhat.

EVE has a fair number of trillionaires. Some percentage of these people are undoubtedly looking to 'perfect' their main character and willing to spend 20b, 100b or even a quarter trillion to do so.

This is a once-off demand spike too.




price is 1.8 trillion to max out.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#71 - 2016-03-09 14:20:31 UTC
Janna Shihari wrote:
People using the word "rational" to define conformity to their thinking are simply arrogant.

"Rational" is a characteristic of humans that cannot be defined in a normative way, but only in a descriptive way.




This is a video game forum, sir, not NPC Poasting Alt Dictionary Corner

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Amarrchecko
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2016-03-10 15:08:28 UTC
Lord Ra wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Demand will decline somewhat.

EVE has a fair number of trillionaires. Some percentage of these people are undoubtedly looking to 'perfect' their main character and willing to spend 20b, 100b or even a quarter trillion to do so.

This is a once-off demand spike too.




price is 1.8 trillion to max out.


If you start with a fresh character and inject all the SP necessary to max out before applying any of the SP, do you continue getting 500k from the injectors? Or do the diminishing returns on injectors factor in unallocated SP?
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#73 - 2016-03-10 16:10:44 UTC
The diminishing returns are applied to unallocated SP, you can't game it.

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u3pog
Ministerstvo na otbranata
Ore No More
#74 - 2016-03-18 10:02:18 UTC
PLEX is going down, Injectors are going up...Interesting times. SP farmers can't catch up?

At this point it seems profitable to milk the cow. Injectors 630-640, extractors 254M and I expect them to go further down, we are nearing the 400M mark, where you'll end up half a bilion ahead each month, if you PLEX your alts.
rtodeto
champaign
#75 - 2016-03-28 17:08:01 UTC
With money coming in via skill extractors and plexes now, vs only via plexes before the introduction of skill trading. Wouldnt people with large plex holdings before, begin converting those plex holdings in half plex/half skill extractors holdings, as a means of diversification, due to the possibility of ccp through promotions making plex/skill extractors more interesting to buy with RL dollars ?
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#76 - 2016-04-26 18:31:48 UTC
So, with the proposed daily SP reward, in theory a character will go from producing 46 injectors per year to 54. It's questionable how many dedicated farmers will do it, so the increase won't be exactly the projected 17%, but there'll still be more SP on the market. Couple that with less people buying injectors because they can now click a belt rat every day and you get a price drop.