Ships & Modules

Ok, as someone who does triage (in PvP) on occasion in w-space, I thought I would chime in.

1) 3x primary logistics module and 1x secondary sounds fair. This means carrying a shield or armor rep on a differently fit niddy or thanny. These are useful for touch-ups (quick boost while they are primary, remember that shield rep is instant, while armor is able to regenerate the EHP of a ship that was nearly lost).

2) A T2 Triage Module should fit with meta 0 capital modules, T2 resist modules, and T2 capacitor modules (Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I if shield tanked).

2.1) You all should accept that you fit capacitor power relays on shield tanked ships. The penalties are stacking penalized, so it is not all that bad.

2.1.1) Shield tanks are lower on the thanny and niddy than armor tanks. With overheat (because you can overheat resist modules and not just rep modules), the shield tanks are stronger.

3) A four slot tank should be attainable.

4) All of the above should apply with all V's.

5) The thanny and nid should be able to use 3x shield transporters or 3x armor transporters, but it is acceptable if they have to tank differently (ie. 3x shield rr niddy runs a self armor tank).

6) The thanny is the odd one out because of its damage bonus. If it is triaging, it is because there was not a better choice around. Deal with it (I did for a while).

7) Meta 2 cap mods and faction modules are not considered, but they can be used to break out of these limitations

So, onto the carriers:

Archon - Perfect, do not change. It does have the CPU to self shield tank for ***** and giggles, but it is not that good of an idea and will not have an effect on fit.

Chimera - Needs 12.5% boost to CPU to meet above criteria. 17.5% suggested for Deadspace Shield Boost Amps.

Nidhoggur
1) Self Armor Remote Shields - Needs 10.5% boost to CPU to just fit. 15% CPU boost suggested for Deadspace EANMs to fit.
2) Self Shields Remote Armor - Barely Fits. 5% CPU boost suggested for Deadspace Shield Boost Amps.
3) Self Armor Remote Armor - Needs 17% PG increase if it is desireable.
4) Self Shield Remote Shield - Not Happening, sorry.
(Overall Suggestions) 17.5% CPU boost.

Thanatos
1) Self Armor Remote Shields - Short 7% CPU, suggested 10% CPU boost to take into account Deadspace Shield Boost Amps.
2) Self Shields Remote Armor - Fits Rather Easily, no suggested changes.
3) Self Armor Remote Armor - needs <1% Powergrid increase if desireable. Personally, I would suggest making it like the nid in the need to choose. As such, I would suggest a reduction in powergrid.
4) Self Shield Remote Shield - Not Happening, sorry. This is why I suggest that armor tanking not be favored by PG as it currently is.
(Overall Suggestions) 10% CPU Boost, 10% PG nerf

The result of the suggested changes is that the:
Archon provides the strongest armor tanking triage platform, but is limited to repping and tanking armor only,
Chimera provides the strongest shield tanking triage platform, but is limited to repping and tanking shield only.
Nidhoggur provides the strongest reps for whichever tank it chooses.
Thanny is mediocre, but it gets a damage bonus after all.

Misceleneous changes suggested:
Nidhoggur should be given EHP equivalent to that of the Thanny (bump base HP to be equal, as resists are equivalent if placed differently). This has less do do with its use as a triage platform and more as a fleet carrier
Thanny should be given 7.5% or 10% per level to damage (or bonus to all drones, not just fighters). Seriously, fighters are not all that good, and even the thanny is rather poor at dishing out DPS. While you are at it, fix fighter tracking so they hit a battleship at rest for full damage while orbiting (the close ones do not iirc).

tl;dr suggestions:
Archon - Nothing
Chimera - 17.5% CPU buff
Thanny - 10% damage per level to all drones. 10% PG nerf, 10% CPU buff
Nidhoggur - 17.5% CPU buff, buff of base HP to equal thanny.




That was the three slot tank Chimera. You have to have a CPU implant to make a semi-pimp four slot tank chimera fit even with t1 triage (Shield boost amp is limiting)

That was really the iffiest point on which I could compromise the most. I kinda threw it out there based on a desire to make the nid and thanny very similar. Perhaps the PG could be adjusted so a Meta 2 faction fit thanny can do it, but a meta 0 thanny cannot?

Using that, you could fit a faction / deadspace self shield remote shield thanny for 15.2% more CPU, or 1050 CPU at all V's. This would not fit without faction / pimp fittings, but it does leave some wiggle room for more expensive shield boost amps if you do fit it pimp. A meta 0 thanny with t2 modules would require 1,139 CPU. I have a problem with any ship where you can just fit it any way you could possibly want it with no limitations.

The self armor remote armor would require a mere .6% PG (6k PG), though that could be done with meta 0 or meta 2.

Just a thought.

This is a really big deal because it means your local tank won't take advantage of the gang bonuses for the rest of the fleet. I'm not a fan of this. IMO, Triage + 3x RR + homogeneous local tank should fit - that doesn't mean it has to be reasonable to run full out from a cap standpoint.

-Liang

I tend to like getting a full set of links because I'm not just worried about my local reps. Like I said - you're sacrificing a lot by having your local tank off cycle from everything else.

-Liang

Drone damage bonus is lame. Carrier is and should be a logistics ship and not DPS.

How about... I dunno... maybe a... LOCAL REPPER BONUS like both frigging BC's (prior Crucible) and the Tier 3 BS are lumbered with.

I'm confused. The Thanny already has a 5% Fighter bonus per level? Or did you mean if they buffed the fighter bonus up to 10% or something.

PreEdit: I was not entirely serious with my local repper bonus idea - clearly this would make it tank a whole lot more... like an Arcon... HMMM maybe I am serious. :)

Tbh I would love to see a Thanny with a repper bonus with exile boosters in triage local-tanking something silly like 25k DPS.

good idea lets call them.. carriers