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Misalignment between AUR packages and skill extractor prices - CCP?
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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#21 - 2016-02-06 19:05:47 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
-who cares-

its entirely optional.
I would have worded it with a little more disdain to the morons posting here, but you nailed it, Ralph.

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Well the op is presented well with minimal frothing around the mouth so I'm inclined to hold off
And reserve the back handed snarky comments for someone a tad more volatile.

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2016-02-06 19:15:57 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
-who cares-

its entirely optional.


It's not about it being optional. It's about CCP doing dirty business things that were previously reserved for publishers no-one in their right mind would want to be associated with. It's a worrying development for all of EVE.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#23 - 2016-02-06 19:18:41 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
It's not about it being optional. It's about CCP doing dirty business things that were previously reserved for publishers

…and for CCP (cf. the first NEX implementation and items). Getting upset over it now is 4½ years late.
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2016-02-06 19:21:04 UTC
Mithandra wrote:
Its being done that way for one of the oldest reasons in retail

Why do you thing hotdogs are sold in 5's and hot dog buns are sold in 4's hmmmmm?

Its to make you buy more than you need.

Because hotdogs have legitimate uses outside of the bun. Where buns do not have as many.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#25 - 2016-02-06 19:24:48 UTC
Rowells wrote:
Mithandra wrote:
Its being done that way for one of the oldest reasons in retail

Why do you thing hotdogs are sold in 5's and hot dog buns are sold in 4's hmmmmm?

Its to make you buy more than you need.

Because hotdogs have legitimate uses outside of the bun. Where buns do not have as many.


Clearly you have never have a breakfast bap or a pulled pork oh wait I see where your going with this.Twisted
Phapma Tearial
Doomheim
#26 - 2016-02-06 19:34:32 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
It's not about it being optional. It's about CCP doing dirty business things that were previously reserved for publishers no-one in their right mind would want to be associated with. It's a worrying development for all of EVE.


Indeed. But there are some here who will never say a bad word about EVE or CCP, because it helps maintain their 'HTFU' forum persona.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#27 - 2016-02-06 19:36:41 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
-who cares-

its entirely optional.


It's not about it being optional. It's about CCP doing dirty business things that were previously reserved for publishers no-one in their right mind would want to be associated with. It's a worrying development for all of EVE.

Of corse you'd get you knickers in a twist over this.

It's an entirely optional feature with limited gain and I'm delighted we are going to have to pay through the teeth to use it.
If anything I think it's too cheap.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#28 - 2016-02-06 19:40:44 UTC
Phapma Tearial wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
It's not about it being optional. It's about CCP doing dirty business things that were previously reserved for publishers no-one in their right mind would want to be associated with. It's a worrying development for all of EVE.


Indeed. But there are some here who will never say a bad word about EVE or CCP, because it helps maintain their 'HTFU' forum persona.

Actually I don't like these things at all, I'm entirely uncomfortable with this but
something something adapt something something something die.

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2016-02-06 21:05:45 UTC
Tippia wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
It's not about it being optional. It's about CCP doing dirty business things that were previously reserved for publishers

…and for CCP (cf. the first NEX implementation and items). Getting upset over it now is 4½ years late.


If memory serves there WAS a big outcry at the time just like there is now. The fact that CCP is pushing down the same road we opposed back then is the worrying bit.

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#30 - 2016-02-06 21:09:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
What do you mean 'misaligned'? They are perfectly aligned. Greed is good, remember?

It is disappointing that CCP feels the need to follow the typical industry model here. EVE is not a typical game and the user base is certainly demographically quite different to most MMOs. I don't think they need to do this sort of nonsense, especially in the context of a subscription model. It just makes their users upset.

It does not convey respect for the user base.

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Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2016-02-07 09:06:11 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
-who cares-

its entirely optional.


It's not about it being optional. It's about CCP doing dirty business things that were previously reserved for publishers no-one in their right mind would want to be associated with. It's a worrying development for all of EVE.


That happened when ship skins and clothing for RL ISK became a thing. You're late.
Kalgeroth
Doomheim
#32 - 2016-02-07 09:25:21 UTC
The CCP of 2003-2009 would have seeded the Skill Extractor BPO's to the market and let the players run with it

This period coincided with EVE's most successful period of sustained growth and success - and that was not a co-incidence

But success in that period made CCP arrogant and greedy for more - and they have struggled since then, with a declining subscriber base as intelligent players tire of their blatant BS

We've tried telling them that we are not a typical MMO demographic, and we've offered them well intended advice on how they can treat players with the respect that paying customers deserve. They didn't listen. That has cost them revenue, it's lost people jobs, and EVE is diminished because of their short-termism

If only they could reflect, and understand that their period of greatest growth and success was when they treated EVE players like the intelligent adults they are
Assassin126
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2016-02-07 15:08:43 UTC
Why cant we trade AUR properly on the market? Allow people to convert AUR to an item, with an item value of 1 AUR each, then sell that on the market. Then when someone buys it they can redeem the stack of AUR and have it added to their wallet. At least this means you wont be left with 1 AUR left over with nothing at all to do with it. Would probably encourage more people to buy AUR too as you could just buy a cheap package instead of a whole £15 for PLEX.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2016-02-07 15:39:59 UTC
Kalgeroth wrote:
Marcus Sablemane wrote:
I see people buying packages of different amounts to compensate for the difference.

Five extractors, 4499 right?

- One $20USD package for 3600 AUR + one $5 USD package for 900 AUR. I don't agree with it, but it's what I see happening.

I too would prefer them to align the prices with the packages.


-corrected values.


yup, this is my point - we shouldn't have to put up with this BS like we're dumb players on some f2p facebook game


Easy solution.


Stop being a whiny little ***** and don't buy the stuff.

I've never even looked at AUR cause it's useless and doesn't interest me.

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Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2016-02-07 16:16:41 UTC
To be honest, 999 is perfect for me. You know why? During summer of rage CCP gave us some AUR to incentivize the use of it.
Since I'm stingy and don't actually give a **** about paintjobs or dolls, I have 2000 aur to spend. So, I could get two of these.

Of course I'm not going to make skill injectors because I'm not going to sell SPs.
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#36 - 2016-02-07 16:18:00 UTC
Kalgeroth wrote:
I don't have a problem with the item or the extractor prices as such.

But I do have a problem with the alignment between AUR packages and the prices

Arrow Want to buy 1 extractor? Then you need to buy 1950 AUR package because the 900 one is just short
Arrow Want to buy 5 extractors? Then you need to buy the 9000 AUR package because the 3600 one is just short
Arrow Want to buy 10 extractors? Then you need to buy the 9000 AUR package have have 1000 AUR left over

No matter how you configure it, going to have AUR left over or buy some ridiculous configuration of extractors you didn't want.

It seems to have been created deliberately this way to irritate the playerbase while scraping a little more revenue out of people. It's counterproductive. People want a simple two-clicks transaction which is easy to calculate, not to have to build spreadsheets to work out the most cost effective option.

Players who stick with EVE tend to be pretty smart - it's a complex and intelligent game.

And the playerbase does not react well to nonsense like this, it's dumb move on the part of CCP and they will lose players and revenue as a result. What works for silly f2p games on facebook isn't going to cut it for EVE.

CCP - kindly adjust the AUR packages or adjust the extractor prices, or you will lose out on revenue while irritating your dwindling playerbase.

Yes I agree with you.

CCP please raise the prices so that nothing is left over.
Poddington Bare
Black Mount Industrial
Breakpoint.
#37 - 2016-02-07 16:25:09 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:
please raise the prices


Liking the cut of your jib.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#38 - 2016-02-07 17:52:33 UTC
Gasp!

Could it be the entire motivation behind this change had nothing to do with ccp wanting to improve the game abs entirely done for the extra revenue?

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Pandemic Horde
#39 - 2016-02-07 17:53:18 UTC
lol youre all mad. So your willing to PAY to extract your own skills for isk? isnt that a bit stupid?

its a double whammy lose skils points and pay for isk. you might as well just buy a plex if you want isk and not lose any skillpoints.

ccp have really screwed the vet players on this implementation in sooo many ways.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#40 - 2016-02-07 18:00:55 UTC
lilol' me wrote:
ccp have really screwed the vet players on this implementation in sooo many ways.

Please list them. And what would the non-screwing implementation be like?