EVE General Discussion

there is one unifying voice in eve, and that is the voice that eve oline, should not change. every eve player will unanimously really behind this cause, regardless of any differences, if they are an eve player. and they will all give the same, 1 word, 3 letter reason. "EVE." it is imperative that the eve universe, continue to exist for decades to come. even if it is on a small server, where a few hundred people play, and new/old players come in, and merely "tour" the archaic ruins of a great universe once past, eve must continue to exist. i have not been playing eve long, but eve has such a rich history, it has more then earned its place a a permanent exhibit in the new york museum of modern art.

i have done a lot of research into CCP games. when i first played eve, i got the same distinct feeling when i first played a different game that i decided to invested in. that stock is now worth 17 times my initial investment. it peaked at over 10 million active subscriber accounts. before i get invested in something, i thoroughly research as many aspects as can be foreseen. i research as an example, alternate/previous company history, ceo company history, corp policy, available past and present employee reviews, all avaiable fiscal and stock data, any controversies, legal history, etc. i make sure to display my information in multiple viewing forms. data looks much different when you display it on multiple types of graphs.

if CCP games was not a private company, they would have most certainly compromised the "mission statement" universe for profit, and being a private company in no way means that another group of people would have remained private, but still compromised eve. i believe it in in the best interest of ccp games to clone eve, in a new player friendly manner, in an interactive expanding evolving ai universe that directs, or guides player experiences to be the most positive. in my opinion, this is the next gaming "evolution". i understand that this is very capital intensive, and i hope that this obstacle is not an issue for long, if it has been what has been preventing this from occurring. the super computer that runs the eve universe, is extremely expensive, and runs a "small" universe in comparison to a universe with just 1 million active players. an eve clone could be expected to, when the population boom occurs, to increase 1 or even 2 orders of magnitude depending on population within 24 months. this is a momentous task for a company to keep operating efficiently, and is even more capital intensive then the initial investment. ccp games has the amount of staff experience needed to launch and maintain such a complicated title i believe.

so when i see ccp launching several small game titles, i am very hopeful that one of them "catches". i would very much like to see ccp games have the assets to launch a cloned version of eve online, that is a growing, evolving universe guided by an ai program to ensure gamers have the most positive experience when playing. this creates a win/win situation. gamers will fiscally contribute to a game when they are having a positive experience, and every player is having fun in a game that gives them a positive experience. eve online is not a game you subscribe to for a "good" experience, a player subscribes to eve for a "real" experience. those are very often, but not always, the same for an eve player.

i would rather avoid specifics, but just at conception, by monitoring players activities, the ai program can automatically suggest for them to continue with heir favorite experience, or try something new. players interested in exploring can be involved in unlocking new technologies or areas for the universe. the eve universe already has a tech progression tree and system exploration and travel method mapped out. miners can be sent to mine what they like to mine, and they can choose to sell to pc's, or npc's, who could be used to automatically balance the economy. players running npc missions can be getting whatever mods are most beneficial or necessary, while having access to the same pc/npc balanced market. players involved in pvp will still feel accomplished as they combat in the evolving universe, and as each universe is conquered, it goes to that faction, and a new universe spawns. using the npc, you can easily scheduled mass battles for multiple players to participate in, and in real time control the events. players wont like it if they log off and progress has reversed. computer knows this, and balances a more player comfortable "battle curve". "blue making a lot of progress. motivate red to reinforce with more pcs/npcs to balance progression". by controlling the market, the ai easily controls most player motivation. i am willing to bet players who get receive enough income to afford to purchase a game subscription on average better then every other month, are most likely life long subscribers. in fact, free a micro transaction game, might carry the most risk but be the most profitable.

essentially, it would be an anti-eve. instead of a completely player run universe, it would be a completely ai run universe. in fact, it would be beautiful if both universes earned an exhibit in the museum of modern art, one for player creation, one for ai creation. the best situations are win/win situations, and an eve universe run by a properly designed ai appears to be a very viable win/win situation for all parties involved. i hope to see this idea come to fruition in the near future. if this strategy has not been accepted as viable, i believe it would be a good idea for anyone in authority or position to re-analyze the viability of the situation.

Fly Dangerously, Fire Indiscriminately!

Ok, so we don't have a features and ideas subforum. We don't have "What would you change about...." threads that come and go on every subforum.

I'd actually like you to quote a single player that has said that eve should not change?

tldr: the first paragraph is BS, why would I want to wade even deeper?

Ha! BS!! (Calls BS) If there is one unifying concept with EVE it's that it SHOULD change. How it should change is the source of eternal disagreement.

The rest of your diatribe? You're entitled to your opinion. However, you're all over the map with your dissertation, most of which may be true for you. However, as in the above case, what you assert as facts are in the main your opinions...to which you are entitled. Of this there is NO doubt.

No. It should just not change into something that is shite. Eve, by nature, is already half shite, half genius. Leave the good half alone.

There is no EVE clone because no game publisher in their right mind would touch a game as ambitious as EVE. Especially these days everything needs to be instant gratification and easy above all else.

On top of that you can't just 'create' a game like EVE. This game was forged from the tears of thousands over the course of 13 years. Quite literally, in fact. The EVE we see today is a direct result of a game developer listening to its players for the vast majority of 13 years, instead of pushing their own design documents. CCP could have come up with some insanely awesome thing they worked on for weeks, or even years, but if we all start shooting the Jita monument they will shelf it and never put it into the game. No other game developer that I know respects its player base that much.

Years ago the Walking in Stations idea was brought forth as an attempt to make the game more identifiable to larger audience by giving you an actual person to walk around as. We got the CQ, but the rest of the project was abandoned after the majority of the players thought that dev time should be spent on internet spaceships. Now we're reaching a point with the Citadel expansion and subsequent structures where station environments are being done away with entirely, including the CQ. If that's a good development or not is a different discussion all together but it does indicate a wild 180 turn from what CCP wanted to do a few years ago, which is a good example of them listening to what players want.

Well... wait what now?

That was verbose, painful and as far as I can see pointless.

Your assumptions lack concrete documented evidence, and your personal opinions are I'm sorry to say laughable.

Actually, for once, I'm at a loss for words...

Hi Lan, how is space business?

AI controlled universe? Well. just got through talking with SkyNet and it's not interested in running EVE, so ...............

Indeed it is. It seams they are as bad with the search function as they are at playing the game.

Or even a search AI