EVE General Discussion

Pho weal? EVE be dead, man, dead!

i think shohorning skills into the game is a great idea

That is his raison d'être, you can safely ignore his responses.

We need skills for citadels and everything new.

You can always buy more SP Injectors.
But you shouldn't.

Thanks all for treating me to a stellar example as to why we can't have nice things. I thought the OP was rather well-considered and an honest request, or observation. Next thing you know one person's got him "whining" another "complaining" then another "trolling" (all of which are juvenile forum tactics intended to dismiss someone...which is now some sort of internet goal I guess.)

The ensuing "reasoning" and bifurcations completely lost the thread of any discernible thought and digressed into an assault characterized by verbosity (if not venality). This is all so entertaining. Again, thanks for the display.

And now, for the weather.

Not even remotely.

You decided to train support and/or industry skills for a year. If during that time they introduce ship skills, then that has zero effect on you, because you have already decided not to train them. If they introduce new industry or support skills, then at most it'll have the effect of slightly delaying when you remap the next time but hey, your timing is great.

The only “problem” is that you're making the very boneheaded assumption that you either must train with maxed attributes, or are entitled to always doing so. This is a problem with your assumption and your OCD, not with the game or with CCP's decision to roll out new tools.

Yes you do, or this thread wouldn't exist.
Changes that affect large systems in EVE are very well advertised long before they happen and come as a surprise to no-one. They are also very rare. More minute changes happen a bit more frequently, but are, as mentioned, minute so the effects don't particularly matter on a day-to-day basis.

What you can always know is that change is coming, and make your decisions with that in mind. If you don't, then that's once again your problem, not CCP's.

Do you have any evidence to support any of this? How on earth does it even remotely matter that new players take longer to cross-train? Why would they need to, when that's rather something you do once you've established a good baseline — i.e. when you're no longer a new player? If doctrines change, it's not just the newbies that have to retrain. It applies to everyone who don't fit into the new mould. And that's assuming that whoever designs the new doctrine is so incompetent as to not thinking about how to still make good use of existing capabilities during the transition. Passing that off as a “think of the newbies” issues is disingenuous at best.

Yes it does, because your entire point hinges on the incorrect assumption that new players will have a hard time to get into the game. They won't. They have an easier time now than they ever have in the past.

…and has nothing to do with the actual topic and title of the thread.

I asked you for examples because I hoped there would be some connection, but none of the things you listed were even remotely related to your personal OCD-induced non-issue. I'm not questioning why you answered — I'm questioning why it's was included to begin with, same as in my first post.


Finally, you are accusing CCP of actively trying to ruin the game for the players as an unrelated afterthought to an unrelated complaint. It is a diatribe by any measure.

Not really, no.
Your decision to remap, and CCP adding skills that do not affect you while you're maximising your training from this remap, is not remotely a problem no matter how much you'd like it to be one. Remaps are rare pretty much exactly for this very reason: so you think about what you want to train for the next year before committing to it.


The only problem is that you (somehow) didn't expect it even though there was plenty of warning and not even unprecedented. They're not throwing months of training at people — that is once again your choice and your OCD talking — and being “locked in” is an integral part of the remap system. It is not there so you can always have the best attributes for every skill. Quite the opposite.

It is there so that you can set up a plan and maximise your training if you follow that plan. Since changes happen with some frequency, you can either accept this and just ignore those changes while you execute your plan, or you can pick a more universally fitting set of attributes to be ready for a bit of everything.

Or (gasp!) you just train the new skils anyway because they're awesome and so what if it takes a little longer? The world won't end just because you train a couple of Per/Wil skills on an Int/Mem remap.

Yeah, how awful, people don't agree with you. Booo hoo.
A compulsive disorder on your part does not constitute a problem on CCP's part. That's really the end of it.

Your impression is also that your disorders are somehow a problem that CCP has to solve rather than something you have to learn how to deal with yourself. So they're probably not something you should put all that much trust in.

You might be confusing me with you. Of the two of us, I'm not the one expressing a distress over foreseeable and trivial changes to a game.

I'm sorry CCP are ruining your game Crosi.

Again, you're confusing me with you. Projecting your OCD onto others does not suddenly make CCP responsible for the issues your disorder is causing you, nor does it work for transferring your distress, depression, tiredness, or sense of alienation onto others and then trying to use that as a reason not to address the substantial argument being made.

Are you going to accept that your problem is yours, not CCP's?
Are you going to accept that if you post on a discussion forum, people may argue with your assertions and accusations?