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no need to get mad lol

CODE. Always wins!

Or bring a friend? This is an MMO after all.

You seem to have answered your own question (well really, off-topic whine) with that. Why would CCP want to make possibly the safest ship in the game (at least the one that requires fielding the most DPS to beat the race against the NPCs) even safer? Also as baltec correctly points out, the statistics from Red Frog show that they can be flown incredibly, almost perfectly, safe in highsec. Do you really, honestly think they should be made even safer by removing bumping?

Well that won't happen. At best, somewhere down the line CCP will replace bumping with an alternative interdiction method so that players can prey on these large, lumbering ships that have the intended weakness, like all capital ships, to be vulnerable to groups of small ships and thus require an escort. This drives conflict, makes hauling have meaning, and serves as a trade-off for these massively powerful ships that would otherwise be better in almost every way than the smaller haulers.

So even then, Goons will be shooting up freighters belonging to their enemies, the lazy, and the foolish who make such activities profitable, as the developer intends for the game to work. CODE will still be dunking those AFKers and non-complaints who do not submit to the will of James 315. Hauling, even in highsec, is suppose to have risk and bumping is one tool that enables it. Do not expect it to go away without a replacement. And for the record, the bumper is at the exact same risk as the hauler, vulnerable to ganking just like everyone else who undocks in this game.

This is all off-topic. Wrecks having more HP is a minor change that benefits anyone in all areas of space who has a victory by making it harder to spoil the prize for the victors. Sore losers cannot, out of spite deny loot as easily which is a good thing, just like when the game was changed to still give kill mails if you self-destruct which was used to prevent victors from getting what they earned. Maybe now with citadels being released, adding and removing implants can disallowed in-space preventing the practice of yanking your expensive implants used similarly to deny the winners their due.

All of this is good as it gives players reasons to undock and fight each other. Killmails and loot are often the only tangible reasons to attack someone. Changes that more fairly allow the winners to claim their prizes are good for the game overall. Try looking beyond your small corner of Eve and your personal self-interest for once.

The game being a MMO has nothing to do with forcing other people into doing mundane tasks like webbing which are there primary due to the abysmal amount of time it takes to freighter things around and bumping mechanics which are - in their hi-sec version, completely broken. Also, I would really love to know the numbers behind people actually using other players for webbing instead of alts. My guess is that number is in the low single-digit percentages.

I understand that CCP likes additional subs, but I wonder if they also like all the potential subs which have been lost due to the fact that people learn about how boring and stupid some things in this game are. Freightering and webbing being the least of those problems, but one nonetheless. Also, it is lovely seeing people like you who on the face of it advocate for the diversity in the game while in reality protecting established mechanics and in particular your little niche while also suggesting that solo play should be kept utterly miserable in this game for people interested in playing truckers in hisec.

However, this whole discussion is a bit off-topic. Isn't it?

So don't run with a web friend and take the risk, at the end of the day a web ship spends a hell of a lot less time clicking than the gankers scout ships does.


So why bring it up?

Keep your passive-agressive taunts for in-game local smack.
Here you just sound like you have nothing better to say. Which is probably true.

You have an amazing ability to not respond to a post in any sort of context. The ultimate troll - Answers without addressing anything in relation to the post he is responding to. Inane irrelevant responses have become your trademark.

LOL like red frog are the only ones who get ganked. They are actually the least likely to be ganked (as their contract completion rate shows). Yet 24 other freighters were ganked in 36 hours, by 2 groups.

But the amount ganked is not the issue I was trying to address, it is the completely risk free element that allows it to happen that needs attention. Freighter bumping should involve some risk to the bumper, not just the freighter it is setting up to die.


Black Pedro - Where did I say I wanted Mach bumping removed? Try reading what I wrote and responding to it.

As for freighters needing an escourt everywhere they go - I agree, but there needs to be a way for that escort to do more than just web off the freighter if it is in danger (Eve is a pvp game, not a "quick lets escape safely" game). You and others seem to be under the illusion bumping should not have any risk attached to it.
Oh and just for interests sake - The DPS of a bumping mach is irrelevant, they never use it. (you might want to find out how bumping is done before commenting on it)

So you believe CCP will only ever increase the ease with which gankers pursue their activities? Well I suppose if they did change it to a risk vs reward activity they could likely lose a lot of subs from all the nulbears who have ganking alts.

And of course, on topic - This is another "if it ain't broke don't fix it change", that just had to be introduced. While things that are actually broken sit in the too hard basket.
Wrecks have more EHP, who cares, we will still shoot them to deny others the loot. If I can't carry the loot away I'll make sure no-one else can, one way or another.
All in all this change breaks more than it "fixes" but that would be intended.

This. Very much this. This is why IMHO anti-ganking needs to be balanced against ganking, so there is a much more even fight between the two sides with effort on both dictating the outcome. As it is, all the systems involved benefit the ganker while anti-gankers have to pretty much work retroactively, which against disposable pilots in disposable ships means very little. Destroying the loot was the only real way to actually hurt the ganker.

a) I personally started nothing, just commented on some of your posts and then said that the whole stream of discussion went off-topic. I play mostly solo so not sure whom I should be coordinating with regarding the 'my side' about topics of the post.
b) Regarding refuting, I usually try to discuss my viewpoint as long as I don't hit the 'that's the way its always been', 'gank the bumper, that's a legit response' and/or 'just one more nerf' arguments. After that it's more a mud slinging battle then a constructive discussion.

I've lost a bumping mach to a gank and there have been more attempts. GF in local, new one from Jita a few minutes later.