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Toward Equilibrium: Slave Avenger
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ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#21 - 2016-02-01 14:28:45 UTC
Aye, I am Pretty sure Mizhara is right there. I don't think anyone questions your willingness to fight for what you believe in Deitra.



And Kador, I hope you are wrong, I want to say that you are wrong, but I know too well I have hurt good people, like I have said I don't get the luxury of a clean conscience. Even my own family, have fallen victim to the sad notion than my crimes against the Mandate and the Empire, somehow make them share in blame. Please though, I implore you to find me another way without all this violence, a way that could make my people free and safe, and allow your people freedom and safety in their own lands.

You say I am part of the circle of violence, as if I am the part that causes it. I am not the Theology Council, I am not the Tribal Council, I am not anything, but a woman who is fighting for her culture and people through means that can be distasteful because, I don't have any other viable option open to me. Tell me Kador, do you, does Thal think me more of a monster or someone without any good choices to make?

As I see it, this circle of violence eventually favors the Minmatar, as in order for the Amarr to actually stop us, they will have to kill us all, and in order for us to win all we have to do is take our people back, and make it too costly to try and take any more. I don't think the Empire would rather die than allow our people to go, undoubtedly they would find others to "reclaim" whereas even when there was no Minmatar Republic, we still had those who resisted, even though it cost so many of them their lives. I have faith that the Amarr, and the Ammatar will see reason, will see at a certain point it isn't worth keeping this up.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#22 - 2016-02-01 14:49:27 UTC
ValentinaDLM wrote:
Aye, I am Pretty sure Mizhara is right there. I don't think anyone questions your willingness to fight for what you believe in Deitra.



And Kador, I hope you are wrong, I want to say that you are wrong, but I know too well I have hurt good people, like I have said I don't get the luxury of a clean conscience. Even my own family, have fallen victim to the sad notion than my crimes against the Mandate and the Empire, somehow make them share in blame. Please though, I implore you to find me another way without all this violence, a way that could make my people free and safe, and allow your people freedom and safety in their own lands.

You say I am part of the circle of violence, as if I am the part that causes it. I am not the Theology Council, I am not the Tribal Council, I am not anything, but a woman who is fighting for her culture and people through means that can be distasteful because, I don't have any other viable option open to me. Tell me Kador, do you, does Thal think me more of a monster or someone without any good choices to make?

As I see it, this circle of violence eventually favors the Minmatar, as in order for the Amarr to actually stop us, they will have to kill us all, and in order for us to win all we have to do is take our people back, and make it too costly to try and take any more. I don't think the Empire would rather die than allow our people to go, undoubtedly they would find others to "reclaim" whereas even when there was no Minmatar Republic, we still had those who resisted, even though it cost so many of them their lives. I have faith that the Amarr, and the Ammatar will see reason, will see at a certain point it isn't worth keeping this up.


Plenty would probably never even look at us. There's still plenty more who would rather see their culture fall trying to enforce their will on us. Until they're gone even freeing our people wouldn't end anything. Call it pessimism if you wish, I call it realistic.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#23 - 2016-02-01 17:55:10 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
EOM? Really? I think Mizhara was right.....


In fact, I think I bumped in to Mizhara today. Divine Will! Or coincidence.

Oh, really? Did you end this rabid tribal? Please tell me you did, because she is crying here so much!

On other hand, Mizhara is already known for ranting a lot without valid reason, but I really hope that you put her into her place where she belongs.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#24 - 2016-02-01 17:59:06 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
EOM? Really? I think Mizhara was right.....


In fact, I think I bumped in to Mizhara today. Divine Will! Or coincidence.

Oh, really? Did you end this rabid tribal? Please tell me you did, because she is crying here so much!

On other hand, Mizhara is already known for ranting a lot without valid reason, but I really hope that you put her into her place where she belongs.


So don't you on occasions (and myself for that matter) I take from the fact she said it was civil that wasn't the case Diana.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#25 - 2016-02-01 18:05:12 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:

So don't you on occasions (and myself for that matter) I take from the fact she said it was civil that wasn't the case Diana.

You are breaking my heart...

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#26 - 2016-02-01 18:08:57 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:

So don't you on occasions (and myself for that matter) I take from the fact she said it was civil that wasn't the case Diana.

You are breaking my heart...

Sorry!!!!

Honesty is the best policy as they say though.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#27 - 2016-02-01 18:19:01 UTC
I wish more minmatars would follow that rule, you'd become like us.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#28 - 2016-02-01 18:50:50 UTC
My goodness it's the perfect storm of stupid; a thread started by Noh and infected with Kim-baka.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#29 - 2016-02-01 19:15:17 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
I wish more minmatars would follow that rule, you'd become like us.

Quite a few of us do actually, truth hurts doesn't it? Perception may be different but that doesn't make them distruthful...
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#30 - 2016-02-01 19:17:56 UTC
Slave Avenger.

or...

SLAVENGER !

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#31 - 2016-02-01 20:08:42 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
My goodness it's the perfect storm of stupid; a thread started by Noh and infected with Kim-baka.

It wasn't stupid before you opened your mouth, minmatar.

Go back into your slave pen and don't yelp when adults are talking.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#32 - 2016-02-01 20:10:35 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
I wish more minmatars would follow that rule, you'd become like us.

Quite a few of us do actually, truth hurts doesn't it? Perception may be different but that doesn't make them distruthful...

Doesn't actually hurt.
I just notice more scum like Rella, maybe because they are too loud? Are there muzzles for minmatars?
Though, I think this question is going into wrong direction. I should ask someone from the Empire about such accessories.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#33 - 2016-02-01 20:27:40 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
I wish more minmatars would follow that rule, you'd become like us.

Quite a few of us do actually, truth hurts doesn't it? Perception may be different but that doesn't make them distruthful...

Doesn't actually hurt.
I just notice more scum like Rella, maybe because they are too loud? Are there muzzles for minmatars?
Though, I think this question is going into wrong direction. I should ask someone from the Empire about such accessories.

Well, no clue on the muzzle, I'm sure some adult themed store might have something, ask Claudia.... As they say the loudest people usually have the least to say. And the truth hurts thing is an expression.
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#34 - 2016-02-01 20:33:37 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
Slave Avenger.

or...

SLAVENGER !


Oh, I love it!

Annie! Darling, sweetie, I would like to thank you for your years of tireless service in the name of freedom.

On a related note, if any members of Gradient have, you know, a "cousin" who would like to be a bit naughty on behalf of the Republic, give me a ringiedingding! Call it terrorism if you want, or because it's accurate, but weaker parties have used terrorism against stronger parties since before Mankind committed the grave sin of traipsing into New Eden when the Deceiver promised un-depleted platinum deposits.

Besides, Hek needs tea.

I know, I know, we could just buy it on the open market, but that would perpetuate the hegemony of (how do you say?) slaver capital investment in leaf manufacture. Tangentially, if anyone has any information on which tea plantations need to blow the Hel up, that would be helpful - though I suppose blowing up tea plantations would really be a job more suited to those hulking biped death machines. We have worked out all the headcase issues with that lot, yes?

Oh, and when not committing terrorist acts against (how do you say?) slaver imperialist swine, you can match firepower against Angels and rogue drones on the Edge of known space with a small, feisty clan that has taken the lesson of the Thukker tribe to heart. If I am not mistaken, there are now two (2) sovereign systems in which to frolic.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#35 - 2016-02-01 21:45:26 UTC
God does not demand equilibrium. God demands disequilibrium. In particular, he demands zero Minmatarness from his Chosen.
Kador Ouryon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2016-02-01 22:13:21 UTC
ValentinaDLM wrote:
Aye, I am Pretty sure Mizhara is right there. I don't think anyone questions your willingness to fight for what you believe in Deitra.



And Kador, I hope you are wrong, I want to say that you are wrong, but I know too well I have hurt good people, like I have said I don't get the luxury of a clean conscience. Even my own family, have fallen victim to the sad notion than my crimes against the Mandate and the Empire, somehow make them share in blame. Please though, I implore you to find me another way without all this violence, a way that could make my people free and safe, and allow your people freedom and safety in their own lands.

You say I am part of the circle of violence, as if I am the part that causes it. I am not the Theology Council, I am not the Tribal Council, I am not anything, but a woman who is fighting for her culture and people through means that can be distasteful because, I don't have any other viable option open to me. Tell me Kador, do you, does Thal think me more of a monster or someone without any good choices to make?

As I see it, this circle of violence eventually favors the Minmatar, as in order for the Amarr to actually stop us, they will have to kill us all, and in order for us to win all we have to do is take our people back, and make it too costly to try and take any more. I don't think the Empire would rather die than allow our people to go, undoubtedly they would find others to "reclaim" whereas even when there was no Minmatar Republic, we still had those who resisted, even though it cost so many of them their lives. I have faith that the Amarr, and the Ammatar will see reason, will see at a certain point it isn't worth keeping this up.


I'm hope and pray that I am wrong.... however it doesn't feel like it when we're slowly the killing the people we originally wanted to save. Neither of us have a choice Valentina, not you nor I, so you can't barter for sympathy with me with talk of conscience or unfortunate circumstances.

That fundamental rejection of everything you are is not unique to you Val. I'm a monster by the definition of my own religion and most every True Amarr would spit on me if they weren't terrified of the rumours and stories about us empyreans.

While you and I aren't the origins of the violent cycle I mentioned we are the ones who perpetuate it through out actions to allow the bitterness and resentment of previous generations to thrive in our modern universe. One a former Emperor wrote at great length about expressing his fervent wish to see at peace.

As for violence favouring your people..... perhaps but I'd rather not debate on the relative merits of faith versus simmering anger... the former I think you fail to ascribe it's due value.

What fills the soul? Something that guides a lost child back to it's parents arms. Or waves that dye the shores of the heart gold. A blessed breath to nurture life in a land of wheat. Or the path the Sef descend drawn in ash. In the wake of fire.
Jev North
Doomheim
#37 - 2016-02-01 22:26:42 UTC
Noh. Good to see you. Enchanting as always.

Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Upon the construction of a grand edifice, there is a risk that the edifice effectively becomes an object of adoration, near worship -

Isn't it interesting how for anyone actually living in these, it's just another place to work, eat, sleep and sh*t in?

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#38 - 2016-02-01 23:09:52 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Consequently, in the interests of Equilibrium, I have taken up the cause of the Matari people.


Interesting.

I always found Koronakesh to be a man of impeccable logic, after his own fashion of course.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#39 - 2016-02-02 00:02:29 UTC
Jev North wrote:
Noh. Good to see you. Enchanting as always.


Salute!

Jev North wrote:
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Upon the construction of a grand edifice, there is a risk that the edifice effectively becomes an object of adoration, near worship -

Isn't it interesting how for anyone actually living in these, it's just another place to work, eat, sleep and sh*t in?


Your observation reminds me of a dearly cherished holo from way back when. Driving past a mansion, the female lead says "I bet the people living in that house don't think it is nearly as beautiful as I do." This introduces another unfortunate weakness in Mankind. Once we have something, there comes the risk that we stop cherishing it.

It might be argued we should therefore cherish nothing. Ultimately, however, that only prefetches the failure.

The first time I saw a spectacular sand mandala erased, I was horrified. Now, I (mostly) get it. On some level, I suppose that capsuleers act like monks destroying mandalas.

James Syagrius wrote:

I always found Koronakesh to be a man of impeccable logic, after his own fashion of course.


Although I've never actually met the man, it was the interest of not offending him which led me ultimately to conclude that I'd better figure out how to blow things up. Although the first day out resulted more in my own blowing up, these things happen and I suspect there will be many similar days. Of course my plan to liberate tea plantations will probably exacerbate the situation.

Queue up the cheap frigates, darlings!
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#40 - 2016-02-02 01:23:44 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
God does not demand equilibrium. God demands disequilibrium. In particular, he demands zero Minmatarness from his Chosen.

Well, I won't comment on the minmatarness part...

But as for demanding equilibrium and disequilibrium, you see, the universe is going towards equilibrium. Every system does. This is a law of thermodynamics. As soon as the equilibrium is reached, the system stops its evolution. Reactions cease. Energy transfers stop as there is no energy gradient anymore. It becomes static. Particles inside this system distribute evenly in their freedom. And it means death.

Any life is impossible in equilibrium. There is only death, decay and freedom.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.