Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Just because it would, theoretically, be optional does not make it a good idea.

In fact, 999 times out of 1000, the tag "make it optional" is only ever applied because the suggester of the idea knows deep down that their idea is bad, but they just can't admit they should've never suggested it in the first place. And no, this idea is not included in that 1 out of 1000.

Oh, just because you have a bad idea, and people are pointing it out, doesn't mean they didn't read the proposal.

It does when they are trying to pretend that somehow Corp & Alliance chat being in the same window tab rather than 2 different tabs would make awoxing more difficult in any significant fashion.
The 'arguments' being brought up against it are ridiculous.

And no, multiple rows of tabs would not 'cost less space' than merging several channels into one window. This is exactly why virtually every game on the market allows you to merge channels into a single window if you want to. Heck, EVE even allows it with the overview. Or should we require a separate tab for every overview category that you have to constantly swap between? Because that's what the current chat window actually is like.

actually

i'm not saying its optional like something you go into options menu and click "turn on or off"

i'm saying its optional because when its implemented. it looks EXACTLY like EVE does now, until you right click the chat tab, go to settings, and click the box of other chat channels to add to the tab.



aka, it WORKS exactly like it does now, but with the option to put more chat channels in.



and its not a bad idea, how do i know? because when alot of other games adopt this, theres USUALLY a reason for that. aka, its functionally superior to having a ton of tabs that you constantly switch between.

it makes NO change to people who want to leave chat in the primitive state its in now.

while giving people who are tired of having so many chat windows open simultaneously the option to streamline the chat tabs for EFFICIENCY. (when windows cover over 75% of the screen, theres issues. cause closing those windows doesn't improve your performance. which is bad for a GAME)

you want me to look up the definition of efficiency?



noun
1.
the state or quality of being efficient, or able to accomplish something with the least waste of time and effort; competency in performance.
2.
accomplishment of or ability to accomplish a job with a minimum expenditure of time and effort:
ex. The assembly line increased industry's efficiency.
3.
the ratio of the work done or energy developed by a machine, engine, etc., to the energy supplied to it, usually expressed as a percentage.

Honestly, the devs probably stopped reading this thread when you threw your "omagerd, anyone who doesn't agree with me obviously didn't read my idea" tantrum on the first page.

As far as your efficiency argument goes, multiple chat windows is far more efficient in usage than having to remember which prefix goes with which channel. The lumped together chat system works for other games because there's a relatively low upper limit to how many channels you will need at any given time. Elitatwo, for example, has 24 different chat windows. That would mean she needs 24 different different prefixes to ensure her conversations go to the right channels.

One window, three windows, ten windows, you still need 24 prefixex for 24 channels, the number of windows you split them into doesn't matter.

At this point, however, it's your problem that you find the current system harder.

And yes, bolding and underlining entire blocks of text is the text based way of throwing a tantrum, much akin to using all caps.

The tab might triple in size, but it's minuscule compared to the 1/3 size reduction of the overall window needed. Most EVE players have 10+ channels. I've had more than 20 in the past. Stretching the tabs all sideways is nonsensical - either the chat takes up the whole width of your screen or you have hidden tabs you can't see flashing. With three rows of tabs I could fit 21 channels in the space of seven (fine a bit larger...7.4).


Is it really that much effort to click a tab when it flashes? You have to do some action anyway when responding with your system. Typing "\whisper Cara Forelli" takes WAY longer than click a tab when it flashes. And you have to keep typing that every time? It's just a lot of extra work, AND it's messier and mistake-prone.

Yes, I clicked all your links. I wasn't impressed. I'm not a troll. You had a bad idea so I said so.

If you are so worried about screen space, why so many extra empty lines in your posts?

1) If you have several fast moving channels combined, it will be confusing with random posts interrupting the stream of the conversation and forcing you to do a lot of scrolling and skipping to piece together a conversation. So you wouldn't want to combine fast moving channels.

2) If you have several slow moving channels combined, what's the point? If no one's typing anything they don't need to be open anyway. Just click them when they flash. So you wouldn't need to combine slow moving channels.

So what's the use case?

And how exactly are you going to keep track of who is in each channel? I have 5-10 intel channels open at any given time with different groups of people, and those persons are constantly changing as people get added and removed. Personally I would never combine them because the risk of making a mistake is too high. But if you did combine them, you still need to know exactly who is in the channel before you type anything. You need to be able to see at-a-glance who is logged in and going to be able to read your post.

Even corp/alliance chat generally shouldn't be shared as there's often things you would say to corp and not to alliance (even if you have no intention of awoxing).

I haven't played the games you listed as examples but I have to imagine they're not as meta heavy as EVE. In EVE the EXACT audience of your statements it's VERY import. You aren't just playing around people, you're playing with/against them. I sometimes have two channels that differ only by a single individual, yet it is a very relevant distinction in the tone of the channel (ie it's a place for everyone else to talk about that individual frankly).

I just don't see the POINT. It's very messy. And yes, it would affect me when my friends/corpmates were constantly typing in the wrong channels. Adding a bad UI for the sake of "well you don't have to use it!" is dumb. The current solution is organized and elegant. It could just benefit from a small tweak to make it take up less screen space.

Ok, when are you going to get to that part?

Are you going to answer this or do you not find it relevant? (Do you even play EVE?)

Again you're adding extra clicking.

Anyway, I think I've been hard enough on your idea. I still don't see any point in it but I'll let you peddle it in peace.