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What will be the AUR price of Skill Extractors? Show us your guess!
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Memphis Baas
#161 - 2016-02-05 22:09:36 UTC
Dibz wrote:

I wanted to transfer 15M off one character and give them to an alt (minus the 20% penalty). That would need 30 extractors, at a total cost of 24000 aurum, or roughly £100. £100! Are you serious? Evil


And here we go. All the posters who were giving example after example of "rich kids" ruining the game by being oh so willing to spend this much... where are you? Come, post your examples again, only with numbers this time.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#162 - 2016-02-05 22:27:07 UTC
Still don't like it, but hey, looks like the prices might offer some form of balance. We'll see.
Memphis Baas
#163 - 2016-02-05 22:32:25 UTC
Just like with the proliferation of super-capitals, though, it's only for a while. The price will only mitigate it until we all get our SP farm alts cranking out injectors.

CCP will have to re-evaluate their new player experience next, cause the measly 10 million ISK they can make from the career agents won't be worth much in the near future.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#164 - 2016-02-05 22:43:44 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
Just like with the proliferation of super-capitals, though, it's only for a while. The price will only mitigate it until we all get our SP farm alts cranking out injectors.

CCP will have to re-evaluate their new player experience next, cause the measly 10 million ISK they can make from the career agents won't be worth much in the near future.


You can't win this one on volume. The economies of scale are constant.

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Dyllan Ma'tar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#165 - 2016-02-06 00:21:12 UTC
Dyllan Ma'tar wrote:
What I wish for and would make good horse sense? 500 AUR

What I expect and sounds like CCP sense? 1000 AUR

Nightmare Mode? 2500 AUR


Oooooooh, 1 AUR off.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#166 - 2016-02-06 00:31:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tipa Riot
Memphis Baas wrote:
Just like with the proliferation of super-capitals, though, it's only for a while. The price will only mitigate it until we all get our SP farm alts cranking out injectors.

CCP will have to re-evaluate their new player experience next, cause the measly 10 million ISK they can make from the career agents won't be worth much in the near future.

You have to pay double the price for SP with injectors compared to regular training (without margin, diminishing returns, just the money you have to give CCP for it).

I'm my own NPC alt.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#167 - 2016-02-06 00:35:05 UTC
Dyllan Ma'tar wrote:
Dyllan Ma'tar wrote:
What I wish for and would make good horse sense? 500 AUR

What I expect and sounds like CCP sense? 1000 AUR

Nightmare Mode? 2500 AUR


Oooooooh, 1 AUR off.


Yeah that was a very good guess.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#168 - 2016-02-06 00:38:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Tipa Riot wrote:
Memphis Baas wrote:
Just like with the proliferation of super-capitals, though, it's only for a while. The price will only mitigate it until we all get our SP farm alts cranking out injectors.

CCP will have to re-evaluate their new player experience next, cause the measly 10 million ISK they can make from the career agents won't be worth much in the near future.

You have to pay double the price for SP with injectors compared to regular training (without margin, just the money you have to give CCP for it).


And the problem is that the costs scale linearly with the number of alts you are farming SP on. At best the price is 600 million for an injector. So if you want to shave off a month of training time you'll have to spend 1.8 billion ISK or about 1.5 PLEX.

You might be better off buying a PLEX start up the dual training buy the injectors and then inject the SP into your own character at the end of a month.

But those SP will not make it onto the market meaning...a thin market.

Or maybe this will lead to a niche in the character bazaar, 5 million SP starter characters for 2.5-3 billion ISK.

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Father Manlove
Sheep Can Hear A Zipper From A Mile Away
#169 - 2016-02-06 00:57:54 UTC
Looks like they're straight up deleting threads on this now. Wonder how long this one will last...
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#170 - 2016-02-06 01:16:19 UTC
Father Manlove wrote:
Looks like they're straight up deleting threads on this now. Wonder how long this one will last...


I noticed. Not that this ragequit-thread they deleted was worth anything, but I thought the usual practice was to just move them to out of pod experience. CCP at their worst again. It's been a while, hasn't it?
Annemariela Antonela
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#171 - 2016-02-06 01:25:12 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
Father Manlove wrote:
Looks like they're straight up deleting threads on this now. Wonder how long this one will last...


I noticed. Not that this ragequit-thread they deleted was worth anything, but I thought the usual practice was to just move them to out of pod experience. CCP at their worst again. It's been a while, hasn't it?


I lost a perfectly good pre-lock joke in that thread.

*sniff*

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Father Manlove
Sheep Can Hear A Zipper From A Mile Away
#172 - 2016-02-06 01:26:54 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
Father Manlove wrote:
Looks like they're straight up deleting threads on this now. Wonder how long this one will last...


I noticed. Not that this ragequit-thread they deleted was worth anything, but I thought the usual practice was to just move them to out of pod experience. CCP at their worst again. It's been a while, hasn't it?


Yup. No moving, no trace of the thread whatsoever. Just 404'd when trying to link to it. Nice, CCP. Classy.
Mara A'more
Doomheim
#173 - 2016-02-06 01:37:22 UTC
I don't know why they bother, if someone wants to read the thread, they will on eve search.
Thorian Baalnorn
State War Academy
Caldari State
#174 - 2016-02-06 01:41:39 UTC
Based on my calculations, injectors will cost around 900 million to 1 bil starting and then drop to around 700 million as the market stabilizes. Possibly 600-650 mil but thats more hopeful than realistic.

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Memphis Baas
#175 - 2016-02-06 01:53:58 UTC
I expect they'll be more than that, to start with, simply because if you get bought out by someone trying to manipulate the market, you may have reservations about extracting more skillpoints to counter the guy, because you'd be extracting from the "good" skills.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#176 - 2016-02-06 08:10:45 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
You can't win this one on volume. The economies of scale are constant.

Not entirely. Mass-purchases of AUR and PLEX gives you lower prices on both, but sure, there's an upper bound to how much cheaper they can get from volume.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#177 - 2016-02-06 08:26:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Gully Alex Foyle
Look at it this way.


Pay 1 PLEX, get 1 month game time + 1.5-1.6 mil SP (on average, because you probably won't always have perfect remaps and +5 learning implants).

Pay 2 PLEX, get 1 month game time + 2.5-2.6 mil SP (assuming a PLEX will buy you 2 extractors, also leveraging on perfect remaps and implants of the SP farmers).

So double the monthly sub price will get you +65% SP boost. Not too bad, maybe? 5 to 50 mil SP characters get a +50% boost.


Also consider that you can now play for free, no ISK grinding required, just by having a min-maxed remap of any kind and training any skill that matches it. You'll maybe have to add 50-100 mil ISK/month if you don't have the learning implants to compete with the SP farmer prices.

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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#178 - 2016-02-06 08:55:36 UTC
Lasse R Farnsworth
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#179 - 2016-02-06 08:57:43 UTC
Well the prices are up and I'm pissed ..

Ironically I just ragelogged from Planetside 2 because f their stupid "join now" buy this gun but it dosn't align with our cash pakets after finding out that after spending 50 € that I will have left around 90 Cents I NEVER EVER will be able to spend. Now I startet to look at the AUR Shop in EVE and I will never ever be able to spend any amount of money without having AUR left. I mean even with doing spreadsheets I will not be able to buy say 2 injectors and 2 skinns and then be done.

There are reasons why STEAM, AMAZON and IKEA are so sucessfull. They MAKE IT EASY for their customers to do SMALL buys with them. I have 5 € here ... give me something for it without feeling bad. I'm in RvB .. would love to just buy a blue skin for the ship I'm flying. I would LOVE to pay a small fee for the skill I NEED RIGHT NOW. I DON't want to jump through burning rings just to give you some money.
Baelok The Bastard
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#180 - 2016-02-06 09:07:41 UTC
Lasse R Farnsworth wrote:
Well the prices are up and I'm pissed ..


Is it me, but I could not find the prices......