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What will be the AUR price of Skill Extractors? Show us your guess!

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2016-01-28 21:59:53 UTC
Hopes: <= 100AUR
Expectations: ~500-750AUR

Disappointments: Being kept in the dark likely until the day it launches
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2016-01-28 22:18:00 UTC
1000 AUR

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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#23 - 2016-01-28 22:20:30 UTC
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2016-01-28 22:32:22 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Hopes: <= 100AUR


Lol

SP junkie.

More about the principle than anything else. I'm too in game poor and real life stingy to participate with injectors.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#25 - 2016-01-28 22:47:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
"What will be the AUR price of Skill Extractors?"

2x monocles and 1x gold scorpion...
... and your dignity.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Mijel Riak
Extensive Enterprises Space
#26 - 2016-01-28 22:49:13 UTC
First off - you need to have this playing in the background:
Price is right

as for as price - as high as they can make it while still successfully monetizing a new income stream...

and since knowledge is priceless and SP = sum of your knowledge
each extractor will cost at least 2 Plex...
Cristl
#27 - 2016-01-29 03:17:57 UTC
I'd put the ceiling at 900. A sensible price at 450, and CCPs price at 750.
Ibutho Inkosi
Doomheim
#28 - 2016-01-29 04:41:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Ibutho Inkosi
AUR is for n00bs, 12-year olds and tiny little ladies in pink sweaters with lockets and white, curly-furred lapdogs.

As long as the tale of the hunt is told by the hunter, and not the lion, it will favor the hunter.

Larus Raksha
Rival Industries
#29 - 2016-01-29 07:06:33 UTC
5AUR
SP extractor are useless by themselves, extracted SP are not.
So, you will pay a PLEX for a month of training, then 15AUR to extract that SP and will sell them for 2-3 PLEX
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2016-01-29 07:15:30 UTC
500 AUR

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Mithandra
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2016-01-29 08:53:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Mithandra
Half the cost of a plex , converted to aurum

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Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#32 - 2016-01-29 10:23:04 UTC
Larus Raksha wrote:
5AUR
SP extractor are useless by themselves, extracted SP are not.
So, you will pay a PLEX for a month of training, then 15AUR to extract that SP and will sell them for 2-3 PLEX


Useless by themselves sure but CCP are bringing these in to make profit. I can see them being somewhere around a third of a plex for the extractor and then the injectors will be much more expensive. To be honest, I can't see why someone would ever want to extract and sell SP especially with the loss of SP when injecting, unless of course it's an SP farming alt. More mechanics that encourage alts are bad in my opinion.

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Altair Taurus
#33 - 2016-01-29 13:27:59 UTC
That's great move CCP! Ready your SP guys - I need ten skill injectors to be able to fly Marauder...finally! Twisted
Cixi
#34 - 2016-01-29 13:38:47 UTC
2000 AUR
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2016-01-29 15:23:26 UTC
Mr Mieyli wrote:
To be honest, I can't see why someone would ever want to extract and sell SP especially with the loss of SP when injecting, unless of course it's an SP farming alt.
I disagree.

I think your impression is based on 12+ years of SP in EVE being an extremely scarce resource.

You could only get SP by passive training. An hour or a day of lost SP was LOST FOREVER. Back when you didn't have skill queues people would alarm clock at 3 AM to not waste SP, etc. etc.

But now, basically SP and ISK will be convertible. You'll be able to get SP out of ISK, and ISK out of SP.


So the point is, what do you want more? SP or ISK? Here's my guess:

WANT SP MORE
. New players (up to 1-2 years)
. ISK-rich players

These guys will buy extractors


WANT ISK MORE
. Casual players
. ISK-poor vets
. Guys that regularly sell PLEX instead of grinding for ISK

These guys will likely sell some or all of their SP because they need ISK more. Example: weekend PVP-er that hates ISK grinding, already has the SP to fly anything that his mates fly, but needs the ISK to replace losses.


DON'T CARE MUCH ABOUT SP
. Alts dedicated to one specific activity (e.g. trading, industry, cyno) for which they're already max-skilled

It's likely that several guys will consider selling SP on alts that don't need any more training


One last consideration: if you sold SP for ISK, then changed your mind, you could always buy it back... SP isn't a 'precious' resource anymore, it's just another commodity.

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Altair Taurus
#36 - 2016-01-29 15:32:08 UTC
I think advanced ships will become much more accessible to new players.
Kalgeroth
Doomheim
#37 - 2016-01-29 15:41:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalgeroth
at the moment 500,000 SP = approx 1/3 of a plex, call it 400m

if the AUR cost of the extractor is anything over a very low base, there will be very little active market as people who wish to make ISK from SP will sell characters instead without the AUR cost of extracting skills

if CCP want to create a market for skill injectors, no-one is going to waste 1000's of of AUR on extractors and put the SP-filled extractors on the market if they can just sell their char without going through all of that hassle

as this is targetted at newer players, anything over 500m per 500k is going to make it unaffordable for the vast majority of newer player
Altair Taurus
#38 - 2016-01-29 16:01:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
Thus CCP will ban characters transfer market. I think CCP team would not introduce such a quite dramatic change to EVE core gameplay mechanic if they were sure SP market would stagnate quickly

All in all I think one injector will cost 300-600 mil. ISK.
Maksmad
Perkone
Caldari State
#39 - 2016-01-29 16:10:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Maksmad
We will see soon enough how much it will cost, but I think it will be much more expensive than buying a character on bazar or just training your char normally.

If, for example, one wants to make 100mil sp char, one needs ca. 4 years of training with remap and +5 implants.

One possibility is to buy a char on market, but it usually mean that the character will have skills that you do not want/need to have.

Now it will be possible to make instant 100 mil sp char, but for that one would need 356 sp injectors. That is a really big number.

Let see the costs:

Just normal training - 100 mil sp - 4 years - ca. 50 plex - ca. 60 billion isk.
By following this, 1 skill injector would need to cost at least 168 mil isk.

But, having in mind that 4 years of training means a lot (I think we all agree to that :)), lets say that the money invested should be at least x2 bringing 1 sp injector to ca. 340 million.

That would mean that insta 100 mil sp char would cost 120 billion. For that kind of money you can buy today characters with more than 150+ million sp.

This will be very expensive, but than again, people will get exactly what they wanted and instantly.

For older players it makes no sense to use injectors. For them the cheapest source of sp if needed is normal training.

But this also suggests that aur price of extractor should be very low, because otherwise it will be really expensive...

Unless they ban char selling...
Altair Taurus
#40 - 2016-01-29 16:26:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
I think SP transfer marked is much better solution than chars transfer market. Simply speaking players will be able to shape/reshape their toons SP profiles quickly and efficiently. Notice purchasing char is very large instant expense while often not all skills of acquired char are needed. Now you will be grated an ability to:

- instantly get some important but long trained skills (especially those at level V) -> no expensive yet destructible implants needed!
- sell unneeded skills and get needed ones instead
- earn easy money if you have high SP spare alts

In sum that's great and important change, IMO! Nobody loses, everybody gains. I am excited! P