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stg slate
State War Academy
Caldari State
#161 - 2016-02-04 15:49:31 UTC  |  Edited by: stg slate
Orion Pax wrote:
The moments and how they are spent matters [TO ME].


That is the key. You speak as those these changes ruin EVE and ruin EVE for everyone and the sky is falling.

These changes ruin the magic for YOU; for anyone with romantic notions concerning space honor and patience and loving handcraftsmanship of internet spaceships.

You are a niche part of the player-base my friend; I am sorry these changes hurt you. But that doesn't make them bad changes, only bad changes for you : /

Edit: My English isn't always perfect, I am not being sarcastic, if it makes the game less fun for you I do regret this change on your behalf. But you can't stop progress for a few : /
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#162 - 2016-02-04 15:56:53 UTC
stg slate wrote:
[quote=Orion Pax] But you can't stop progress for a few : /


Irony, it's not the few who will suffer in the long run, but the many.
stg slate
State War Academy
Caldari State
#163 - 2016-02-04 15:58:06 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
The new player that injects skills will think they can do things they can't. Not only will they suffer for this (when they lose that triple tanked laser raven in a lvl 4 mission they should have never been in in the first place), but they are going to be even easier prey for gankers.

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And those people will basically have 0 impact on most players's day to day. High-sec is already full of players murdering NPCs and not interacting with anyone.


SP trading is easier than using the character bazaar. So more people will do it. That means more people shooting those NPCs (ie a new player going from scratch to lvl 4 raven goes from 1 or 2 months to 1 or 2 days), lowering the rewards for everyone else shooting those NPCs. That's what happens when more people shoot the same NPCs, that's why Guristas loot is so cheap now.

You want to lose stawlart PVE players? Make their rewards go down while you pursue 'new players' lol.


So skill injection is bad because it may cause a death spiral of the population of PVE highsec mission runners? That is your argument against skill injection?
stg slate
State War Academy
Caldari State
#164 - 2016-02-04 16:05:06 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Irony, it's not the few who will suffer in the long run, but the many.


If many suffer but the game progresses and gets better than so be it.

We need new blood in EVE. Not for money for subscriptions, but for culture. Right now the universe is split up between the russians, reddit, some old blood eve corps, and the ex-SA guys-turned-tryhard-"expert" EVE players.

Hope these changes tempt a large CS:GO clan or something like that to come check out EVE, how great would that be?

Good bye stagnation.

Hope these changes appeal more people for the sake of EVE.
Orion Pax
Yoyodyne corporation
#165 - 2016-02-04 16:07:21 UTC
stg slate wrote:


That is the key. You speak as those these changes ruin EVE and ruin EVE for everyone and the sky is falling.

These changes ruin the magic for YOU; for anyone with romantic notions concerning space honor and patience and loving handcraftsmanship of internet spaceships.

You are a niche part of the player-base my friend; I am sorry these changes hurt you. But that doesn't make them bad changes, only bad changes for you : /

Edit: My English isn't always perfect, I am not being sarcastic, if it makes the game less fun for you I do regret this change on your behalf. But you can't stop progress for a few : /



I'm saying it's a loss for most players and we're going to have a lot less subs over time. A game based on instant gratification doesn't survive for very long. I'm just impressed by CCP's greed and short-sightedness that they're willing to shoot themselves in the foot like this.

You yourself are a romantic. If you weren't, why are you wasting your time on these forums? You probably know deep down this isn't a good direction.
stg slate
State War Academy
Caldari State
#166 - 2016-02-04 16:13:41 UTC
Orion Pax wrote:
You yourself are a romantic. If you weren't, why are you wasting your time on these forums? You probably know deep down this isn't a good direction.


Because I am a Progressive; romantics appall me with their impediment of progress.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#167 - 2016-02-04 16:22:35 UTC
Orion Pax wrote:
stg slate wrote:


That is the key. You speak as those these changes ruin EVE and ruin EVE for everyone and the sky is falling.

These changes ruin the magic for YOU; for anyone with romantic notions concerning space honor and patience and loving handcraftsmanship of internet spaceships.

You are a niche part of the player-base my friend; I am sorry these changes hurt you. But that doesn't make them bad changes, only bad changes for you : /

Edit: My English isn't always perfect, I am not being sarcastic, if it makes the game less fun for you I do regret this change on your behalf. But you can't stop progress for a few : /



I'm saying it's a loss for most players and we're going to have a lot less subs over time. A game based on instant gratification doesn't survive for very long. I'm just impressed by CCP's greed and short-sightedness that they're willing to shoot themselves in the foot like this.

You yourself are a romantic. If you weren't, why are you wasting your time on these forums? You probably know deep down this isn't a good direction.


some say greed of ccp but isnt it the greed of the players who kicked this all off? the constant complaining of the game being too slow to catch up, the constant complaining plex prices are too high for players to plex accounts, ccp trying to reduce inflation via this seems like its more for the players, maybe they are trying to claw some money out of the game, that doesnt make a company greedy, maybe the game is dying and they are trying to save it, who cares, enjoy the game how you play it and stop worrying about other people

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Orion Pax
Yoyodyne corporation
#168 - 2016-02-04 16:30:54 UTC
stg slate wrote:


Because I am a Progressive; romantics appall me with their impediment of progress.



Next Tuesday I can almost guarantee we'll have an all Level V character. It only takes the sacrifice of around 10 100m SP characters to do this for a character already at 200m SP.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#169 - 2016-02-04 16:32:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Orion Pax wrote:
stg slate wrote:


Because I am a Progressive; romantics appall me with their impediment of progress.



Next Tuesday I can almost guarantee we'll have an all Level V character. It only takes the sacrifice of around 10 100m SP characters to do this for a character already at 200m SP.


does it make you jealous?

i really dont know anyone who would bother going to all the effort of stripping 10 x 100mil chars for 1 maxxed level, i mean 200mil his already pretty much godlike in the skill department, why would he bother?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Orion Pax
Yoyodyne corporation
#170 - 2016-02-04 16:34:26 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:


does it make you jealous?



No, I'm thinking I don't need to sub anymore. Because I can always buy my way back.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#171 - 2016-02-04 16:39:02 UTC
well you need to sub to play so that wont work, if you didnt sub then the sub money would be used for skills, either way you will spend more buying the skills than you will just paying a sub and not worrying about other peoples bought stuff

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Orion Pax
Yoyodyne corporation
#172 - 2016-02-04 16:44:04 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
well you need to sub to play so that wont work, if you didnt sub then the sub money would be used for skills, either way you will spend more buying the skills than you will just paying a sub and not worrying about other peoples bought stuff


I don't think it's a big deal because I barely play. The main reason I have subs is because I didn't want to fall behind in SP. But if you can buy SP it doesn't matter anymore.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#173 - 2016-02-04 16:47:34 UTC
fall behind? i didnt realise there was a sort of scale to keep up with in eve, thought you just went at your own pace What?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
stg slate
State War Academy
Caldari State
#174 - 2016-02-04 17:08:19 UTC
I'm kind of confused as well. I set a skill goal and get to it (fly Caldari BS well, etc), I don't just want SP for the sake of having a large number, or keeping my number as large as everyone elses.

That sounds like playing Everquest again.
Altair Taurus
#175 - 2016-02-04 18:09:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
Jenn aSide wrote:

The new player that injects skills will think they can do things they can't. Not only will they suffer for this (when they lose that triple tanked laser raven in a lvl 4 mission they should have never been in in the first place), but they are going to be even easier prey for gankers.


I am not sure. Newbies will fly 300k EHP Damnations so good luck to fellow gankers! Lol

Jenn aSide wrote:

That means more people shooting those NPCs (ie a new player going from scratch to lvl 4 raven goes from 1 or 2 months to 1 or 2 days), lowering the rewards for everyone else shooting those NPCs. That's what happens when more people shoot the same NPCs, that's why Guristas loot is so cheap now.


However this will be balanced because newbies are not going to fly silly primitive Ravens but in 1-2 days they will fly:

- command ships in level 3 missions (Nighthawk and Damnation seems to be decent choices!)
- Marauders in level 4 missions

PS. I personally advice CCP to create some starter low-sec systems where newbies could train ratting and PvP in carries.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#176 - 2016-02-04 18:29:01 UTC
This will result in less people playing over all.

Completionists, perfectionists who couldn't bring themselves to unsub over the fear of "falling behind" are going to feel safe in doing so now, because if they let their subscriptions lapse and go a few months without training, they'll tell themselves they can just buy skill point injectors to "catch up".

They'll break the bond, the connection with the game, and experience another one which will sweep them off their feet and they'll only occasionally look back, remembering EvE as someone they use to know.

I still want it though, because I'm selfish and care more about myself than everyone else. I can't be in a position to even begin caring for others unless I've made sure my needs are already filled.

**** you.
Joel Vaille
State War Academy
Caldari State
#177 - 2016-02-04 18:33:51 UTC
What are u gonna lock a new player up and ask if he injected skills? If ur a bitter vett this will add content to u as more new players will be taking more fights. If ur a new player this will add content for u as u will take more fights. So who loses here? Maybe the punks who wanna win off of being all lvl 5 in all the relevant skills instead of pilot skill. Here's an idea, learn to fly instead of complaining on the forums how your gonna get more even fights.
Pix Severus
Empty You
#178 - 2016-02-04 18:45:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Pix Severus
Lan Wang wrote:
i really dont know anyone who would bother going to all the effort of stripping 10 x 100mil chars for 1 maxxed level, i mean 200mil his already pretty much godlike in the skill department, why would he bother?


For the epeen alone.

These forums, and Reddit, are going to be filled with smugposters showing off their maxed-out EVE chars, along with the obligatory race to be the first person in EVE history to do it.

For the record, I'm not really bothered about skill injection, I might do it myself, might not, depends on the skills I need and whether it's worth the cost. I certainly don't care enough to kill players over it.

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stg slate
State War Academy
Caldari State
#179 - 2016-02-04 18:56:11 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
This will result in less people playing over all.

Completionists, perfectionists who couldn't bring themselves to unsub over the fear of "falling behind" are going to feel safe in doing so now, because if they let their subscriptions lapse and go a few months without training, they'll tell themselves they can just buy skill point injectors to "catch up".

They'll break the bond, the connection with the game, and experience another one which will sweep them off their feet and they'll only occasionally look back, remembering EvE as someone they use to know.

I still want it though, because I'm selfish and care more about myself than everyone else. I can't be in a position to even begin caring for others unless I've made sure my needs are already filled.

**** you.


So, you are saying this change will help people get out of an abusive relationship and instead fall in love again with a game that will treat them right?

That sounds like a ringing endorsement for this! Who wants people who only play because they don't realize they could have a better life?

I don't want Eve to be the "whiskey-drinking overweight nascar fan in a wife-beater" of the gaming world : /
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#180 - 2016-02-04 19:26:12 UTC
While people claim to be individuals, they form their opinions out of what they think others think.

At first, the huge explosion of interest, of novelty, will be a nice little boost. The sheep will notice more of their kind and will think life is great. But those people who pop into existence for the short time are going to realize that the game is still what it is, with or without access to the magical skills that were suppose to grass is greener improve their game lives, and will surely disappear just as fast as they came.

Disappointingly, some of those people are going to be charismatic, interesting, and in the temporary amount of time they expose themselves to this void of personality, people will take notice and count on the interaction of them to help maintain their new level of enjoyment. So when this mini-explosion of interest fades and the embers cool, the sheep are going to look around and notice that all the people whom they've come to enjoy are no longer present. They'll have asked why the people were quitting or had quit, to get the answers of "bored" and "better games".

Now this happens a lot. New patches, new expansions, people come to the game in droves, build relationships, then disappear leaving open sores that eventually heal over. Except this time, the draw of needing to "keep up with the joneses" by remaining subscribed is no longer as necessary. You can stop paying that subscription to follow the people who left to Xgame or Ygame, because if things don't pan out, well you can always just buy a bunch of skill injectors and eventually catch back up.

People are repetitive, routine, and easily influenced. While it will definitely be novel and will interest a lot of people, the idea of "missing" anything is now gone, because you can now just spend a little bit of $$ and catch up.

The hook has been removed.