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Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2016-01-28 09:23:47 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
Maybe they shoul add a visual clue as to separate who do this injecting.
https://twitter.com/JadekMenaheim/status/689402088711847937
It would be easier to hunt them.

Do you plan to make supporting ideology to oppose the unholy, destructible modifications to someones mind? To protect the souls of those sinners from inevitable destruction? They must learn what is right!

Burn them, burn them with lazors!


I seen that and I do like that idea, specially if CCP decides to keep injected SP hidden.

If I do do this I would not go batshite crazy on the roll play side, I'm a mature older dude so would feel really stupid acting like CODE enforcers do.

Win or lose an adult like GF in local then be on our way is how I prefer to roll.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.

Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2016-01-28 09:30:13 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

So this is not going to be like taking out hapless "carebears".


I hope it's not, I'm not really sure if I could pop a miner, hauler or any form of freighter to be honest, I have never engaged anything that can't shoot back, I don't see any fun in that.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.

Mithandra
B.O.P Supplication For Glorious
Dracarys.
#23 - 2016-01-28 09:43:58 UTC
Best put me on your target list. I fully intend to take advantage of the skill injectors when they come out. I live in Vale of the Silent. Come play; bring friends.

Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community

tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2016-01-28 10:00:13 UTC
and how are you going to know who they are?

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit

Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2016-01-28 10:06:05 UTC
Mithandra wrote:
Best put me on your target list. I fully intend to take advantage of the skill injectors when they come out. I live in Vale of the Silent. Come play; bring friends.


This is just a feeler dude, nothing is set in stone.

Even my own alliance mates will be fare game if I decide to do this, I have several unsubbed accounts I can use for my shenanigans so can stay off the radar sort of speak, also space is space it don't matter where an injected pilot calls home I would want to go after them anyway, in a logical planed out manor of course.

As far as I know this is a clean account (nobody in my circles knows of this one) so I sort of have freedom of speech without fear of losing my position in my alliance, but I feel some will want to participate for teh lulz cuz that's just how they are.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.

Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2016-01-28 10:07:41 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:
and how are you going to know who they are?


That is the trillion ISK question right there, hence, why this is just a feeler..

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#27 - 2016-01-28 10:08:48 UTC
hi there,
top station in romi , like two jumps out of amarr.

see you soon
Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2016-01-28 10:15:54 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
hi there,
top station in romi , like two jumps out of amarr.

see you soon


As I stated numerous times already, this post is just a feeler.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.

Varro Octavius
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2016-01-28 11:33:50 UTC
I'm so confused with this game, it's an mmorpg right? Different people from all different walks of life, all corners of the globe coming together to play this game.

I really wish I was in a better position in life @ 2004 when this game released but I was 16 with a clapped out PC that just about got me through school and college. I didn't have the spare cash at that age to replace it or even afford a sub to this game.

Guess what, life changes, and now I can. I have a machine that can run as many clients as I like.

So to the OP, glad you were in a nice position in life 10 years ago but some of us weren't, this option gives people a chance to catch up and MOST IMPORTANTLY it will bring more completion to the game.

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#30 - 2016-01-28 11:38:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Varro Octavius wrote:
I'm so confused with this game, it's an mmorpg right? Different people from all different walks of life, all corners of the globe coming together to play this game.

I really wish I was in a better position in life @ 2004 when this game released but I was 16 with a clapped out PC that just about got me through school and college. I didn't have the spare cash at that age to replace it or even afford a sub to this game.

Guess what, life changes, and now I can. I have a machine that can run as many clients as I like.

So to the OP, glad you were in a nice position in life 10 years ago but some of us weren't, this option gives people a chance to catch up and MOST IMPORTANTLY it will bring more completion to the game.



You will not catch up with anyone past skill lvl 5, if you dont have proficiencies in using game tools and options to your advantage.
Catching up injecting skilpoints is overrated. You have to learn more than how to spend more SP to your character. Some things come with a lot of time spend, experience, and practice.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#31 - 2016-01-28 11:40:27 UTC
I've toyed with the idea of extracting tons of SP from my alts purely to inject them to me as the sp on my alts don't do any good (not that they do good on me either but you know... sp count)

/c

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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#32 - 2016-01-28 11:43:51 UTC
Good example: Chribba will not be more "Chribby" than he is now by injecting a lot of SP. Trust you can build only with a lot of time and effort to uphold the reputation.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#33 - 2016-01-28 11:48:53 UTC
I endorse this product, i bought a char and im based in thelan, look forward to violence being committed on myself thxbye

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#34 - 2016-01-28 12:16:13 UTC
Chribba wrote:
I've toyed with the idea of extracting tons of SP from my alts purely to inject them to me as the sp on my alts don't do any good (not that they do good on me either but you know... sp count)

/c

I just thought about this Chribba. Dr Caymus has what now? 260-280mil SPs? But 100mil SPs @150K SP per injector is 667 of them. Say theyre 400mil each thats 267bil isk. So technically you could, with enough injectors, buy your way to top of the SP pool in Eve just for the sake of it. Individuals with trillions of personal isk could make a new "monocle" type club.Lol

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

BeholdMyCreation
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2016-01-28 12:22:25 UTC
This character will be milked for all he is worth and stuffed into my main.

Will also spend approx €100 buying isk and thus sp (if possible).

Why? Why not you peasants.
Revenant Kane
Cannibal Empire
BLACKFLAG.
#36 - 2016-01-28 12:26:38 UTC
Alea wrote:
Bruce Kemp wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Silver linings and whatnot.
Think of all those PLEX fattened week old newbs flying around in their pimp fit battleships running level 2 and 3 missions.
Now, imagine if you will their mighty indignation at you swiping one of THEIR precious metal scraps.
Hilarity ensues, followed by buckets of tears.

This poses odd opportunities for preying on the stupid.

I for one look forward to dining on space veal.


^^ This Twisted


Most encounters would probably be by chance, I want to actively hunt them as a group or corp activity.


What Alea meant was...

"Alone? noway that is to scary"
Varro Octavius
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2016-01-28 12:30:07 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
Varro Octavius wrote:
I'm so confused with this game, it's an mmorpg right? Different people from all different walks of life, all corners of the globe coming together to play this game.

I really wish I was in a better position in life @ 2004 when this game released but I was 16 with a clapped out PC that just about got me through school and college. I didn't have the spare cash at that age to replace it or even afford a sub to this game.

Guess what, life changes, and now I can. I have a machine that can run as many clients as I like.

So to the OP, glad you were in a nice position in life 10 years ago but some of us weren't, this option gives people a chance to catch up and MOST IMPORTANTLY it will bring more completion to the game.



You will not catch up with anyone past skill lvl 5, if you dont have proficiencies in using game tools and options to your advantage.
Catching up injecting skilpoints is overrated. You have to learn more than how to spend more SP to your character. Some things come with a lot of time spend, experience, and practice.


I am aware of player skill being more valuable than skill points, have 15 years of mmorpg gaming/pvp raid leading experience. But skill points do close small doors like who can scan the fastest, gets more shots off, depletes the asteroid field the quickest etc. When playing any game to its potential, when the competition is end game and everyone meets all of the skill requirements in game then all that's left is true completion between players, it becomes 100% player skill and RNG.

I guess I'm wondering if this is what vets are afraid of, do vets want completion where you have a massive advantage in player skills, or do vets want to hide behind a skill wall incase a shark comes along scouting out their turf?
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#38 - 2016-01-28 12:51:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Varro Octavius wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
Varro Octavius wrote:
I'm so confused with this game, it's an mmorpg right? Different people from all different walks of life, all corners of the globe coming together to play this game.

I really wish I was in a better position in life @ 2004 when this game released but I was 16 with a clapped out PC that just about got me through school and college. I didn't have the spare cash at that age to replace it or even afford a sub to this game.

Guess what, life changes, and now I can. I have a machine that can run as many clients as I like.

So to the OP, glad you were in a nice position in life 10 years ago but some of us weren't, this option gives people a chance to catch up and MOST IMPORTANTLY it will bring more completion to the game.



You will not catch up with anyone past skill lvl 5, if you dont have proficiencies in using game tools and options to your advantage.
Catching up injecting skilpoints is overrated. You have to learn more than how to spend more SP to your character. Some things come with a lot of time spend, experience, and practice.


I am aware of player skill being more valuable than skill points, have 15 years of mmorpg gaming/pvp raid leading experience. But skill points do close small doors like who can scan the fastest, gets more shots off, depletes the asteroid field the quickest etc. When playing any game to its potential, when the competition is end game and everyone meets all of the skill requirements in game then all that's left is true completion between players, it becomes 100% player skill and RNG.

I guess I'm wondering if this is what vets are afraid of, do vets want completion where you have a massive advantage in player skills, or do vets want to hide behind a skill wall incase a shark comes along scouting out their turf?


Again you are overrating the skillpoints and role it plays in the game. Already 100% player skill happens in a lot of situations, like flying doctrine ships. Just a Game of Vets in particular doctrines. You will have to play a lot to have a lot of isk if you want to buy yourself an upgrade, while someone will hunt you. Or you will have to buy more PLEX from CCP. So its not all sunshine and butterflies for someone injecting SP.
Thorian Baalnorn
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2016-01-28 13:13:36 UTC
Alea wrote:
This is not a recruitment post it's just a feeler.

Just curious, myself being a bitter vet who's jimmies are rustled hard core over SP injection who would want to add some content for the instant gratification kiddies after that feature is implemented.?

Either be via a dedicated corp or steal the idea of NPSI fleets and hunt with whomever wants to join a special fleet or maybe another way.? Not wanting to do a lame CODE type of venture something closer to real pvp, be it in HS, low or null.

Of course this all hinges on if CCP will keep SP injection hidden from other players, I personally feel SP injection needs to be reflected in a characters profile in one form or another, a form of shaming if you will.

Any interest or ideas.? Lets hear them..


Personally, i think you should stop being bitter and take advantage of new features such as injection in the game. Doomsayers and bitter vets did the same thing with plexes when they came out. And plexes were literally the best thing CCP put in Eve. Before Plexes every single mission hub had isk sellers spamming local. Jita ISK sellers spammed local so much that local scrolled so fast you couldnt even read it. After plexes were implemented isk sellers almost completely disappeared and now its extremely rare to see one.

Then you run into your other problem. I could inject 200 million easily in this account alone and you wouldnt know any difference because all the alts on it are 5 plus years old and most of my training on them actually almost all of it was way back when the only way to train multiple alts was to have multiple accounts. I take advantage now of being able to train two alts at the same time And i will probably inject SP( feel free to come to null and attempt to kill me) to speed up my training.

Im glad CCP is coming up with more ways to get players to spend money without it majorly affecting game balance. CCP has proven over the last decade that they put a lot of the money they get from players right back into the game. And they are on an extremely short list of game companies that do that. Most just rake in the profits until the game dies then make a new one.

The more people spend on this game the more cool stuff we will get in game and i am all for that. As a "vet" you should know that SP is only a minor factor in your ability to kill someone. Ive been killed by players with 5-6 times less xp than me and ive killed players with 2-3 times more sp than me. Eve is unique in that "max level" doesnt give you a significant advantage where as in most games max level would make you extremely overpowered.


I say you suck it up, stop being bitter, enjoy the game, and take advantage of the options presented to you.

Sometimes you are the squirrel and sometimes you are the nut. Today, you are the nut and the squirrel is hungry.

Varro Octavius
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2016-01-28 14:44:39 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
Varro Octavius wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
Varro Octavius wrote:
I'm so confused with this game, it's an mmorpg right? Different people from all different walks of life, all corners of the globe coming together to play this game.

I really wish I was in a better position in life @ 2004 when this game released but I was 16 with a clapped out PC that just about got me through school and college. I didn't have the spare cash at that age to replace it or even afford a sub to this game.

Guess what, life changes, and now I can. I have a machine that can run as many clients as I like.

So to the OP, glad you were in a nice position in life 10 years ago but some of us weren't, this option gives people a chance to catch up and MOST IMPORTANTLY it will bring more completion to the game.



You will not catch up with anyone past skill lvl 5, if you dont have proficiencies in using game tools and options to your advantage.
Catching up injecting skilpoints is overrated. You have to learn more than how to spend more SP to your character. Some things come with a lot of time spend, experience, and practice.


I am aware of player skill being more valuable than skill points, have 15 years of mmorpg gaming/pvp raid leading experience. But skill points do close small doors like who can scan the fastest, gets more shots off, depletes the asteroid field the quickest etc. When playing any game to its potential, when the competition is end game and everyone meets all of the skill requirements in game then all that's left is true completion between players, it becomes 100% player skill and RNG.

I guess I'm wondering if this is what vets are afraid of, do vets want completion where you have a massive advantage in player skills, or do vets want to hide behind a skill wall incase a shark comes along scouting out their turf?


Again you are overrating the skillpoints and role it plays in the game. Already 100% player skill happens in a lot of situations, like flying doctrine ships. Just a Game of Vets in particular doctrines. You will have to play a lot to have a lot of isk if you want to buy yourself an upgrade, while someone will hunt you. Or you will have to buy more PLEX from CCP. So its not all sunshine and butterflies for someone injecting SP.


Think I can safely say I wouldn't be in EVE at all if I wanted sunshine and Daisy's! Hehe. I agree with what you are saying about the importance of skill points(or lack of). But when vets were subbing and gaining skill points back in the day they were all doing it together at the same time/rate, and with a game where the only way to access certain things is barred by a time wall that was only accomplishable by subbing from a certain point in time; that really secludes the amount of players involved when you consider how many people will have stopped playing and never returned, by the looks of things the amount of players skilling up their characters to those levels is dropping, creating a divide between new player and vet. In a game where the economy is player run that is a death sentence.

At least with this system you chose your skills, just like vets did, it's up to you how much time you put in to make those skills worthwhile, just like any other player. It's a much fairer system for everyone vs character trading, excluding reputation.