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Upwell Citadel construction equipment destroyed by the OSS in PF-
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#21 - 2016-01-27 07:26:41 UTC
Natheniel wrote:
I am not just making assumptions here. I have spent the majority of my career as a capsuleer in null with null entities. They are individuals from all walks of life, every entity around. None of them put their allegiance to any cause over their alliance or corporation. Even the CVA will destroy some amarr aligned militia corporations because they aren't in line with their goals as an alliance.

So when looking at their actions you can only blame that one alliance, not what ever faction some of them might have been born in or might support. Doing otherwise is simply asinine.

Excuses and silly attempt at evading direct question.

I'll take it you are simply physically unable to retrieve that data. You should have stated it clearly instead of wasting my time with unrelated information.

Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Does anyone got a percentage of gallente pilots in the fleet that has destroyed the structure?

While Nathenial is correct, I believe more than half of them are Caldari. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure they are in majority caldari.

Unlike you, tribal, I prefer to make conclusions on a numbers and facts, not beliefs, since they tend to be erroneous.
Especially yours.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Yarosara Ruil
#22 - 2016-01-27 10:35:53 UTC
This is why we can't have nice things.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#23 - 2016-01-27 13:52:48 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Does anyone got a percentage of gallente pilots in the fleet that has destroyed the structure?

While Nathenial is correct, I believe more than half of them are Caldari. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure they are in majority caldari.

Unlike you, tribal, I prefer to make conclusions on a numbers and facts, not beliefs, since they tend to be erroneous.
Especially yours.

Right....... I know nothing about the group that used to live the next system over from me, that in looking at their employment histories, 9 out of 10 were employed by Caldari corporations/schools. Baseless claim right?
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#24 - 2016-01-27 15:46:26 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Does anyone got a percentage of gallente pilots in the fleet that has destroyed the structure?

While Nathenial is correct, I believe more than half of them are Caldari. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure they are in majority caldari.

Unlike you, tribal, I prefer to make conclusions on a numbers and facts, not beliefs, since they tend to be erroneous.
Especially yours.

Right....... I know nothing about the group that used to live the next system over from me, that in looking at their employment histories, 9 out of 10 were employed by Caldari corporations/schools. Baseless claim right?

You said youself "you believe", you wrote "9 out of 10" without providing exact numbers of Caldari neither in that corporation, nor in that fleet.

You are wasting my time as well.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#25 - 2016-01-27 15:53:22 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Does anyone got a percentage of gallente pilots in the fleet that has destroyed the structure?

While Nathenial is correct, I believe more than half of them are Caldari. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure they are in majority caldari.

Unlike you, tribal, I prefer to make conclusions on a numbers and facts, not beliefs, since they tend to be erroneous.
Especially yours.

Right....... I know nothing about the group that used to live the next system over from me, that in looking at their employment histories, 9 out of 10 were employed by Caldari corporations/schools. Baseless claim right?

You said youself "you believe", you wrote "9 out of 10" without providing exact numbers of Caldari neither in that corporation, nor in that fleet.

You are wasting my time as well.
estimate
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verb (used with object), estimated, estimating.
1.
to form an approximate judgment or opinion regarding the worth, amount, size, weight, etc., of; calculate approximately:

2.
to form an opinion of; judge.
Natheniel
Kurupt.
Sedition.
#26 - 2016-01-27 16:23:54 UTC
Let us ignore Diana's request, it's throwing us off topic of what actually matters.

I am waiting still to hear what Upwell has to say about this situation. I truely hope that don't begin retaliating at us as a group and focus on those who actually committed the act.

"Life is as a storm, one must be prepared for the hardship and scorn. But with in this is a light, one for which we must fight. For hope is our weapon and our dreams are our shield. When fully armed we can not be felled from the field."
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2016-01-27 16:40:45 UTC
Seems simple. They didn't get a permit from locals with big guns, and they got an eviction notice.

Mind you, the same thing happened back when the Big Four tried to be Big in Syndicate during Operation Spectre. It didn't go well for them - and I think by them falling completely silent on the subject, they got the message pretty clearly. Just sounds like Upwell wanted to roll in and not ask people with explosives about their opinion on the matter - which, as we can see, matters.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#28 - 2016-01-27 16:45:59 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
Seems simple. They didn't get a permit from locals with big guns, and they got an eviction notice.

Mind you, the same thing happened back when the Big Four tried to be Big in Syndicate during Operation Spectre. It didn't go well for them - and I think by them falling completely silent on the subject, they got the message pretty clearly. Just sounds like Upwell wanted to roll in and not ask people with explosives about their opinion on the matter - which, as we can see, matters.

Shows again that this Upwell doesn't hold Caldari ideals.
And you, minmatar, yes, you always must ask your masters and people with explosives for permissions, that could be the reason you were enslaved in the first place.

Caldari though wouldn't ask them for permission, neither they would start construction without asking too. When they show us explosives, we show them shotguns. Dead peoples can't blow up corporate property.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#29 - 2016-01-27 17:00:23 UTC
The only annoying part is why would they need a permit to work the bugs out of something that every major powerblock and even small groups are going to rush for the second they make the blueprints avaliable? I know its impossible to really enforce but I kinda' wish there was a way to disallow those groups who shot at it from building one when they have the option.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#30 - 2016-01-27 17:11:56 UTC
Natheniel wrote:
Let us ignore Diana's request, it's throwing us off topic of what actually matters.

I am waiting still to hear what Upwell has to say about this situation. I truely hope that don't begin retaliating at us as a group and focus on those who actually committed the act.

But Kimmy's completely unbiased reporting may be just what we need to solve this problem!

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#31 - 2016-01-27 17:47:18 UTC
Heh, did they really expect something different to happen after disclosing locations.
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2016-01-27 18:38:26 UTC
No, Kimmie - the State would attempt to retaliate, fail and their commander would commit suicide so they wouldn't have to explain their ineptitude to others.

That is, if being the business people they are, they didn't just talk it over before dropping the construction facilities and actually act reasonable. Even then, an agreement with the Intaki Bank doesn't buy you the entire Syndicate, nor does it give you the right to romp about like it's yours.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Jev North
Doomheim
#33 - 2016-01-27 21:48:59 UTC
You'd think they'd learn from the Interbus mess, a while ago. Apparently not.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#34 - 2016-01-27 22:21:40 UTC
Seriously. Why does anyone try and do anything nice in nullsec space at all?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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