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Upwell Citadel construction equipment destroyed by the OSS in PF-
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Natheniel
Kurupt.
Sedition.
#1 - 2016-01-26 19:03:35 UTC
It seems that progress may be halted on bringing us these wonderful creations of Upwell due to us Capsuleers. The OSS has left a message for Upwell after they have destroyed their construction site.

http://i.imgur.com/XEOL6Ic.png

I hear random people are blowing up sites in other areas, I would say this makes no sense because they are working to create something for us. But then considering the history of Capsuleer's wanton love of destruction I guess it does make sense. I hope this does not stop Upwell's plans and the Citadel research.

I look forward to hearing Upwell's response to this situation.

"Life is as a storm, one must be prepared for the hardship and scorn. But with in this is a light, one for which we must fight. For hope is our weapon and our dreams are our shield. When fully armed we can not be felled from the field."
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#2 - 2016-01-26 19:56:25 UTC
What a lovely example of us capsuleers being mindless, savage, ignorant idiots. Where is sense in doing it? I just got information that Upwell installation in Asgeir is down too. Finally a cooperative effort between corporations of different nations and you need to **** all over it just because?!

What is this nonsense!?

I really hope Upwell officials are going to turn this PR nightmare into some sort of a win situation. From the looks of it, it's most likely just assets losses, assets can be replaced. Employ sanctions against these individuals, run them over with Mordu's fleets, put bounties on their heads so big they will never nose into civilized space again.

This is an absolute, utter outrage.

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Natheniel
Kurupt.
Sedition.
#3 - 2016-01-26 20:50:18 UTC
I personally wish to make some display to the Upwell that not all of us are like this. I would suggest we organize some kind of defence fleet for the build sites but I believe we would just be overwhelmed. I would like to state here publicly, I do NOT support the destruction of these sites. Not all of us are destructive forces like this. I plea to Upwell to understand that those who do this may be the bad guys but they don't represent us all.

"Life is as a storm, one must be prepared for the hardship and scorn. But with in this is a light, one for which we must fight. For hope is our weapon and our dreams are our shield. When fully armed we can not be felled from the field."
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#4 - 2016-01-26 21:06:51 UTC
I have to admit, explosions get me as moist as the next girl, but come on. Really?

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Evelyn Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#5 - 2016-01-26 21:09:09 UTC
I saw there was one of these things in Ourapheh, so I totes went there, and there was a bunch of containers, some with people in them.

So I rescued the people.
Natheniel
Kurupt.
Sedition.
#6 - 2016-01-26 21:11:41 UTC
Evelyn Valate wrote:
I saw there was one of these things in Ourapheh, so I totes went there, and there was a bunch of containers, some with people in them.

So I rescued the people.


Be sure to return them to Upwell too.

"Life is as a storm, one must be prepared for the hardship and scorn. But with in this is a light, one for which we must fight. For hope is our weapon and our dreams are our shield. When fully armed we can not be felled from the field."
Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2016-01-26 22:07:04 UTC
You know when people complain that CONCORD has too much authority, that they shouldn't be interfering with capsuleers, that we're perfectly good on our own...

Yeah, this is why that control is a good thing. This is why so much infrastructure is scrubbed from our Neocoms and the empires enforce targeting lockouts on us. We need more of those, honestly.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#8 - 2016-01-26 22:32:39 UTC
I suppose the, "World of Tomorrow," Will remain much like the world of today.

These new structures are made to be shot at, and the Consortium will profit from their continued destruction and reconstruction. Some it seems are just getting in on the ground floor of that dynamic.

If they wanted these sites secure they should not have disclosed their locations publicly, or at the least had Mordus defend them -- that's their job in the Consortium.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Natheniel
Kurupt.
Sedition.
#9 - 2016-01-26 22:45:35 UTC
When you say to a group of people "Hey! We are making this huge awesome thing for YOU. Because we think you are so amazing and we want to build great things! Join us and work with us!" The last thing you might expect is them to blow everything up when it was all for them. I mean, they obviously don't know us.

"Life is as a storm, one must be prepared for the hardship and scorn. But with in this is a light, one for which we must fight. For hope is our weapon and our dreams are our shield. When fully armed we can not be felled from the field."
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#10 - 2016-01-26 22:49:02 UTC
Does anyone got a percentage of gallente pilots in the fleet that has destroyed the structure?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Natheniel
Kurupt.
Sedition.
#11 - 2016-01-26 22:55:57 UTC
They are mostly null sec entities and alliances. Their race or origin matters little to them, So no you can't pin this on anyone Diana.

"Life is as a storm, one must be prepared for the hardship and scorn. But with in this is a light, one for which we must fight. For hope is our weapon and our dreams are our shield. When fully armed we can not be felled from the field."
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#12 - 2016-01-26 23:07:55 UTC
I dare to assume attacking these assets trigger a suspect flagging. So why not create a "neighbourhood watch" of sorts if you are this concerned. If they do not incur security hazards to the perpertrators then CONCORD has messed up again.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#13 - 2016-01-27 00:13:29 UTC
Natheniel wrote:
They are mostly null sec entities and alliances. Their race or origin matters little to them, So no you can't pin this on anyone Diana.

I am just collecting data to analyze facts and make conclusions based on them.
Pity you are trying to cover the real facts by unsupported assumption of what matters to them.
The information I have been trying to collect might not matter to them, but it does matter for me. And might be interesting to readers after I make necessary analyses.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Natheniel
Kurupt.
Sedition.
#14 - 2016-01-27 00:21:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Natheniel
I am not just making assumptions here. I have spent the majority of my career as a capsuleer in null with null entities. They are individuals from all walks of life, every entity around. None of them put their allegiance to any cause over their alliance or corporation. Even the CVA will destroy some amarr aligned militia corporations because they aren't in line with their goals as an alliance.

So when looking at their actions you can only blame that one alliance, not what ever faction some of them might have been born in or might support. Doing otherwise is simply asinine.

"Life is as a storm, one must be prepared for the hardship and scorn. But with in this is a light, one for which we must fight. For hope is our weapon and our dreams are our shield. When fully armed we can not be felled from the field."
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#15 - 2016-01-27 00:21:55 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Does anyone got a percentage of gallente pilots in the fleet that has destroyed the structure?

While Nathenial is correct, I believe more than half of them are Caldari. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure they are in majority caldari.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#16 - 2016-01-27 01:08:09 UTC
I visited the site in Anjedin. I destroyed several billboards advertising the filthy Gallentean beverage Quafe and then destroyed several of the industrial structures. No consortium partly owned by the filthy Minmatar has any right to be building things in Holy Amarrian Space. I then left behind a Mobile Depot named "Citadels are a Sin of Hubris against the Amarr God".
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2016-01-27 01:35:32 UTC
Esna Pitoojee wrote:
You know when people complain that CONCORD has too much authority, that they shouldn't be interfering with capsuleers, that we're perfectly good on our own...

Yeah, this is why that control is a good thing. This is why so much infrastructure is scrubbed from our Neocoms and the empires enforce targeting lockouts on us. We need more of those, honestly.



When it comes to authority, I bow to God, King and Amarr.

I will never bow to CONCORD. Or Upwell.

Perhaps you should reconsider your priorities?

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#18 - 2016-01-27 01:40:56 UTC
Natheniel wrote:
When you say to a group of people "Hey! We are making this huge awesome thing for YOU. Because we think you are so amazing and we want to build great things! Join us and work with us!" The last thing you might expect is them to blow everything up when it was all for them. I mean, they obviously don't know us.


I tend to view the Upwell Consortium as a business and as such attribute their motivations regarding their Citadel projects not out of a sense of altruism towards capsuleers, but rather a resource to be exploited as a potential revenue stream. Whilst on the one hand it might be said a fool and their structures are easily parted; it can also be said on the other that the attack and destruction of the prototype construction sites is just as expected.

For if the profit model regarding the Citadels is to be as much the rest of the present war economy then the attack on the construction sites show their viability as a commodity to be attacked and destroyed. Which in turn will fuel demand for the blueprints and other intellectual properties held by the Upwell Consortium as Citadels will need to be replaced.

What possible profit exists in having a perishable resource that will not perish, after all?

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Natheniel
Kurupt.
Sedition.
#19 - 2016-01-27 02:23:06 UTC
Mr. Mokk,

This situation has nothing to do with who you bow to. This is about preventing the mass murder of human life. I highly dout your god condones wanton senseless destruction.

If capsuleers had their Neocom's unlocked and we could see and target everything around us, there would be a mass murdering of billions. I have no doubts about this. I don't believe anyone's 'God' would condone this. Well maybe Naup's, but we don't really consider him as it is.

"Life is as a storm, one must be prepared for the hardship and scorn. But with in this is a light, one for which we must fight. For hope is our weapon and our dreams are our shield. When fully armed we can not be felled from the field."
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2016-01-27 02:43:09 UTC
Natheniel wrote:
Mr. Mokk,

This situation has nothing to do with who you bow to. This is about preventing the mass murder of human life. I highly dout your god condones wanton senseless destruction.

If capsuleers had their Neocom's unlocked and we could see and target everything around us, there would be a mass murdering of billions. I have no doubts about this. I don't believe anyone's 'God' would condone this. Well maybe Naup's, but we don't really consider him as it is.



I don't need CONCORD or a locked Neocom to know not to behave like a barbarian.

What God condones is a bit above my paygrade. But have you read a history of Amarr?

Nauplius may be a stark-raving heretic, but he's not entirely wrong. We are involved in a badly controlled (also by CONCORD) state of war with the Republic, and by extension, the Federation. Additionaly, we have Sansha, Drifters and a host of other things that endanger the stability of the Empire. Allowing Matari and Gallente free access to the heart of the Empire because they passed a corporate background check is, at best, reckless. That the Tash-Murkons would allow this is also cause for concern.

No...I don't think it's paranoia to want to restrict the access of a new and dubiously-aligned megacorp.




"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
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