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SP injectors or "how to make some money on it"

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Ruvin
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2016-01-26 10:33:21 UTC
Hello everyone,

It's the second time i want to share in public an investment idea, first one i did was about the "skins".
So if you are familiar with Character bazaar you may have notice how the characters are priced, if a character is super focused in fighting skills, or is perfectly trained it is quite valuable. For example lets take this range 30-60m SP, if there is an indy character or with the skills spread all around the value is quite low, and if he is focused often the value can be double or more (we are intrested in the first cheap ones)

With injectors coming all SP will be the same value (if used for injectors) so the SP used for mining are the same as the ones used for a Titan. That mean you can get cheap SP of the market right now. How cheap it depends only on you. For the sake of making it easier i was pricing 1m SP, you can find 1m SP at 300-400milions of isk (lower is extreemly hard) ( 150-200 per injector)

If now plex costs 1.2b and in a month a character can train 1.5m sp, that means current price for 1m sp is around 800milions. So everything we get from market to be used in future is already profitable. Injectors cost doesnt really matter, i expect due to having HUGE pools of useless SP many (filled injectors) will be undervalued in comparison to current plex prices. But SP is not infinite (like isk) it still needs time to generate and "money" so those huge pools, sooner or later will be consumed . And when that happens what will define the cost of the sp i think the price of training them.

I understand i repeated myself a bit i just wanted to explain all the steps.

TLDR :
Buy cheap characters from bazaar ( 150/200m per 500.000 SP)
Wait SP pool (in EVE) to be consumed or "reduced atleast"
When SP will be valued around plex prices it takes to get them (300-400) sell them in injectors .

Opportunities multiply as they are seized.

Zerinia
Lom Corporation
#2 - 2016-01-26 11:07:49 UTC
2.048m skill points/month with +5s and the right remap. I've seen people making trades on this - I deride them for it. I think there are going to be so many people who want to make a quick buck off their skill mistakes/unused toons or whatever relative to the buyers willing to front the aurum cost. Personally I've stopped with the bazaar all together as my particular business model there will, I believe, become unsustainable after the injectors.
Ruvin
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2016-01-26 11:11:35 UTC
Zerinia wrote:
2.048m skill points/month with +5s and the right remap. I've seen people making trades on this - I deride them for it. I think there are going to be so many people who want to make a quick buck off their skill mistakes/unused toons or whatever relative to the buyers willing to front the aurum cost. Personally I've stopped with the bazaar all together as my particular business model there will, I believe, become unsustainable after the injectors.


2m SP is still 300m per 500.000 sp. which is double of what i payed for.

Opportunities multiply as they are seized.

Zerinia
Lom Corporation
#4 - 2016-01-26 11:22:48 UTC
Ruvin wrote:
Zerinia wrote:
2.048m skill points/month with +5s and the right remap. I've seen people making trades on this - I deride them for it. I think there are going to be so many people who want to make a quick buck off their skill mistakes/unused toons or whatever relative to the buyers willing to front the aurum cost. Personally I've stopped with the bazaar all together as my particular business model there will, I believe, become unsustainable after the injectors.


2m SP is still 300m per 500.000 sp. which is double of what i payed for.

Yes - however Skill Points are a resource that were available before patch. I think the supply is going to be very large for the first few months and I think it will take a while even for half that to be profitable, much less training to extract. Which will be an upward spiral of joy on plea prices :).
Ruvin
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2016-01-26 11:27:18 UTC
Zerinia wrote:
Ruvin wrote:
Zerinia wrote:
2.048m skill points/month with +5s and the right remap. I've seen people making trades on this - I deride them for it. I think there are going to be so many people who want to make a quick buck off their skill mistakes/unused toons or whatever relative to the buyers willing to front the aurum cost. Personally I've stopped with the bazaar all together as my particular business model there will, I believe, become unsustainable after the injectors.


2m SP is still 300m per 500.000 sp. which is double of what i payed for.

Yes - however Skill Points are a resource that were available before patch. I think the supply is going to be very large for the first few months and I think it will take a while even for half that to be profitable, much less training to extract. Which will be an upward spiral of joy on plea prices :).


Indeed i agree, tho with such a huge margin a few month's is little time on EVE standarts. Also the difference between mining and considering the minerals "free" here you are tied also to the injector, so buying injector and selling it filled for "same price + 1" isnt actually profitable so i expect people to do some basic math. Also i hope i'm wrong but i expect plex price to rise by quite a substantial margin which also increases the profits.

Opportunities multiply as they are seized.

Cixi
#6 - 2016-01-26 12:18:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Cixi
This is a good idea most characters are underpriced right now

A good example :

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=465018

111 mil effective SP for 50 B/O, this is 225 mil ISK per 500k SP. At 300mil ISK per 500k SP (actual rate) that would be a little more than 16b profit

Ruvin wrote:
Also i hope i'm wrong but i expect plex price to rise by quite a substantial margin which also increases the profits.



Saddly I don't think you are wrong on this point Sad
HeXxploiT
Doomheim
#7 - 2016-01-26 19:54:47 UTC
Smart money was buying poorly trained toons on the cheap months ago. Cool
Ruvin
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2016-01-26 22:22:58 UTC
Cixi wrote:
This is a good idea most characters are underpriced right now

A good example :

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=465018

111 mil effective SP for 50 B/O, this is 225 mil ISK per 500k SP. At 300mil ISK per 500k SP (actual rate) that would be a little more than 16b profit

Ruvin wrote:
Also i hope i'm wrong but i expect plex price to rise by quite a substantial margin which also increases the profits.



Saddly I don't think you are wrong on this point Sad


i found cheaper even yesterday 150-200 for 500k SP. I can link a thread from yesterday i bought last one : 165 for 500k sp.

Opportunities multiply as they are seized.

Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#9 - 2016-01-26 23:26:23 UTC
HeXxploiT wrote:
Smart money was buying poorly trained toons on the cheap months ago. Cool


except SP is like mined minerals now.

Smart money was aurum tokens.

@JerryTPepridge

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#10 - 2016-01-27 03:38:07 UTC
So much of this market comes down to how many trillionaires are willing to spend literally hundreds of billions of ISK making their main character 'perfect' by bulk using skill injectors (especially with the increased efficiency from the original proposal).

As for me - I'm positioning toward liquidity over the next months.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#11 - 2016-01-27 03:46:08 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
So much of this market comes down to how many trillionaires are willing to spend literally hundreds of billions of ISK making their main character 'perfect' by bulk using skill injectors (especially with the increased efficiency from the original proposal).

As for me - I'm positioning toward liquidity over the next months.


Agree with all but liquidity, please tell us why m8? absolute worst case put it in pyerite. are u saving for citadel bp?

also the "Buying one injector" to be able to fly the ship in fleet crowd, and the buy bad characters & make them good crowd.

Aurum is the bottleneck, nothing else.

@JerryTPepridge

Edwin Rothbard
Interstellar Arbitrage
#12 - 2016-01-27 05:35:16 UTC
Each of my accounts have 5,500 aurum CCP handed out years ago. Finally there will be something in the store worth buying.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#13 - 2016-01-27 06:35:19 UTC
I doubt we'll see huge numbers of injectors hitting the market. Most folk with some redundant SP kicking around will probably use it for themselves rather than selling it off.

Those with multiple high SP characters (eg, the people in this alleged "huge" pool of SP) have plenty of other ways to generate ISK.

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ZmajOgnjeniVuk
Doomheim
#14 - 2016-01-27 08:53:10 UTC
Edwin Rothbard wrote:
Each of my accounts have 5,500 aurum CCP handed out years ago. Finally there will be something in the store worth buying.



share pls
Ruvin
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2016-01-27 09:05:32 UTC
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
I doubt we'll see huge numbers of injectors hitting the market. Most folk with some redundant SP kicking around will probably use it for themselves rather than selling it off.

Those with multiple high SP characters (eg, the people in this alleged "huge" pool of SP) have plenty of other ways to generate ISK.



Why not for a good price based on plex-->aur conversion + a nice markup i would sell plenty those aswell. Have more then enough plex to convert in aurum.

Opportunities multiply as they are seized.

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#16 - 2016-01-28 03:10:12 UTC
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
So much of this market comes down to how many trillionaires are willing to spend literally hundreds of billions of ISK making their main character 'perfect' by bulk using skill injectors (especially with the increased efficiency from the original proposal).

As for me - I'm positioning toward liquidity over the next months.


Agree with all but liquidity, please tell us why m8? absolute worst case put it in pyerite. are u saving for citadel bp?

also the "Buying one injector" to be able to fly the ship in fleet crowd, and the buy bad characters & make them good crowd.

Aurum is the bottleneck, nothing else.


I have my reasons.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2016-01-28 04:06:22 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
So much of this market comes down to how many trillionaires are willing to spend literally hundreds of billions of ISK making their main character 'perfect' by bulk using skill injectors (especially with the increased efficiency from the original proposal).

As for me - I'm positioning toward liquidity over the next months.


Agree with all but liquidity, please tell us why m8? absolute worst case put it in pyerite. are u saving for citadel bp?

also the "Buying one injector" to be able to fly the ship in fleet crowd, and the buy bad characters & make them good crowd.

Aurum is the bottleneck, nothing else.


I have my reasons.


Okay, but many of the in game markets for items from the New Eden Store are so illiquid they simply do not exist--i.e. no sellers no buyers.

Maybe SP injectors will be different...depends on that AUR price though.

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Purple Helmet
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2016-02-03 13:37:37 UTC
Will the ISK value of these injectors increase over time like PLEX or decrease over time as the market starts being liquidated by them as they arn't really an investment item such as PLEX.
Ruvin
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2016-02-03 15:57:27 UTC
i wasnt saying anything about injectors, i was saying sp was a good thing to go for.

Opportunities multiply as they are seized.

MrsPotatoHead
Doomheim
#20 - 2016-02-03 16:18:43 UTC
I think this heavily relies on people making alts and new players joining the game.

As soon as players over 5mil start injecting they won't consider the injector to hold as much value as the ISK/SP ratio is 20% less.

I think once the initial bumps are out of the way the price will drop.

I could be looking at it all the wrong way, but hey it's just my 2 cents.

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