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Was the First Gallente War of Aggression inevitable ?

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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#1 - 2016-01-25 19:02:24 UTC
As everyone knows, the Caldari were once part of the Federation, before the First Gallente War of Aggression against the Caldari People, which led to the exodus of the Caldari people from their ancestral homeworld, and the formation of the Caldari State.

But what were the causes of this war ? Could it have been avoided ?

Let us begin, at the beginning, and examine the socioeconopolitical origins of the First Gallente War of Aggression.

The Gallente originated on the planet Gallente Prime, or "Gallentia", as they called it, while the Caldari originated on the planet Caldari Prime, or "Home", as they called it. Which is pretty reasonable, as it was their home after all.

As luck would have it, the Gallente developed interplanetary spaceflight before the Caldari, who were at the time occupied in developing advanced financial instruments.

So it came to pass that a group of Gallente pseudo missionaries, calling themselves the "Cultural Deliverance Society", landed upon Caldari Prime, and began annoying the population with their strange fashions and outlandish behaviour.

This first contact inevitably did not go well. When the comely young Gallente astronautesses asked the Caldari if they would "like some hot super sex", the Caldari responded with the answer that was entirely appropriate, given the climate and agricultural productivity of Caldari Prime at the time.

The failure to provide hot soup, despite that clearly being what was offered, was only the beginning of the cultural friction.

For, the differing climates of Gallentia and Home, shaped the peoples into rather different forms.

Gallentia, having a warm, wet environment in many places promoted, or in some places, mandated, clothing styles that exposed much of the skin, or indeed, almost all of the skin, and also promoted a degree of frivolity, as resources were plentiful.

Home, having a much cooler climate, meant that exposing the skin was only done in very private settings, or as a result of hypothermic delusion. The less productive agriculture of the time, also meant that frivolity in effort or consumption was also greatly frowned upon. Efficiency was the watchword of the Caldari at the time.

This led to greatly differing clothing styles in the two cultures, with the result being that the Gallente saw the Caldari as being overly staid and dour, while the Caldari saw the Gallente as being profligate deviants.

So, it would seem then, that the First Gallente War of Aggression was mostly caused by the mere fact of the different characteristics of the two planets, and that the war was inevitable, due to the vastly differing cultures of the two worlds.

But is that really the case ?

Would history have turned out differently, had the roles been reversed ?

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#2 - 2016-01-25 19:50:36 UTC
There is nothing wrong in having two different and uncompatible cultures.

The problems have started to appear when Gallenteans tried to enforce their culture and their rules on us. We said them "no" and they came with weapons in hands. The rest is in history books.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Yatolila Koskanaiken
Nagles Capital Management
#3 - 2016-01-26 00:57:51 UTC
Of course it was inevitable, though it has far more to do with the insipid nature of Gallente culture than to do with anything geographic.
morion
Lighting Build
#4 - 2016-01-26 01:37:39 UTC  |  Edited by: morion
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#5 - 2016-01-26 01:57:26 UTC
I'd like to think it wasn't inevitable but what do I know? Alot of it was spurred on by one side being hypocritical so I would hope it was the actions of their leadership that led them away from those values they preach. At the same time I'm not an expert on Caldari/Gallante relations and I'm sure there was alot more going on (preemptively for that last sentence: shut up Kim, I'm sure the Gallante did this or that, maybe ate babies, whatever. If there is some reason like economic or some other reason besides the usual "racist Gallante must die tirade" ignore my telling you that. I am actually curious on the reasons or what people think atleast. Don't want to fall into the usual "propaganda" for both sides.)
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2016-01-26 03:34:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
I do believe that the whole war started not because one side likes to wear clothes while the other side shuns clothes. Rather, it's because of legal squabbles about whether so and so law applies to one another. The Gallente thought the Caldari is one of theirs and thus should be following their laws about colonization. The Caldari believed that they are their own people and shouldn't be subjected to Gallente laws. They came into blows.

Moreoever, they don't really understand each other very well either. Gallente probably thought that Caldari should be happy to be part of their happy family, what with all the plenty and the freedom to be whoever they wish and stuff like that. The Caldari on the other hand are pretty damned happy on their snowball of a planet and seem to have some kind of masochistic pride about being able to walk around in their fricking cold planet on what they considered perfect weather without their balls falling off.

I can definitely empathize with the Caldari on that regard. I too wouldn't be very happy if some Gallentean came up to me and tries to make me wear whatever tattoos I wish because I am free to wear whatever tattoos. Yes, I am free to wear whatever tattoos I please. However, I choose to stick to tradition and only wear what I earned, thank you very much! Seriously, stop it! I am exercising my freedom to be stick to tradition, dammit! Don't claim that's not freedom!

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#7 - 2016-01-26 11:11:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Elmund Egivand wrote:

Gallente probably thought that Caldari should be happy to be part of their happy family, what with all the plenty and the freedom to be whoever they wish and stuff like that.


Caldari wanted to choose their own freedom and it was too much for Gallente.
Gallente ships bringing their freedom and happines to Caldari Prime. Just because some bunch of provocateurs blowed up a Gallente city block underwater, because Gallente was not able to make anything to appease Caldari people, because Gallente freedom is an empty phrase, its only a chaos contained in a Federation. Their ways parted because they were different.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#8 - 2016-01-26 18:16:39 UTC
I sense much animosity toward the Gallente here..... Oh well, as the ancient gallente proverb states: Haters gonna' hate.


*rolls a joint an takes a hit*

Also, all you f**kers need Amauté...

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#9 - 2016-01-26 18:28:53 UTC
Yeah, it took us a while to realize people have a right to live in whatever primitive repressive societies they've been culturally conditioned to accept. "Freedom" isn't what the Caldari fought to keep. They had that. The Caldari fought to subjugate themselves to Megacorporations.

Tragically, many Gallente lives were sacrificed in the vain defense of Caldari freedom.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#10 - 2016-01-26 19:51:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
Rinai Vero wrote:
Yeah, it took us a while to realize people have a right to live in whatever primitive repressive societies they've been culturally conditioned to accept.

We knew it from the start. This is why we don't fight gallente because they live in their primitive, archaic and inefficient democracy. It is their lives, and we don't care if they rot themselves.
But we will kick any sore butt that will try to bring this filth into our borders.

Rinai Vero wrote:
"Freedom" isn't what the Caldari fought to keep.

Chaos is an inhumane concept of criminality and total allowance. We were fighting for independence from Gallenteans, not for chaos, that gallenteans so adore.

Rinai Vero wrote:
The Caldari fought to subjugate themselves to Megacorporations.

And another attempt to speak for people that your gallentean mind fail to comprehend.

The Caldari fought against being subjugated to Gallenteans.

Rinai Vero wrote:

Tragically, many Gallente lives were sacrificed in the vain defense of Caldari freedom.

So, damn occupants died. Good riddance.
Caldari will live in order, not in chaos. Those, who will try to defend "Caldari chaos" shall be eliminated as well.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#11 - 2016-01-26 20:57:40 UTC
Fun fact, Kimmy: Order is the highest form of Chaos.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#12 - 2016-01-26 21:02:25 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Yeah, it took us a while to realize people have a right to live in whatever primitive repressive societies they've been culturally conditioned to accept. "Freedom" isn't what the Caldari fought to keep. They had that. The Caldari fought to subjugate themselves to Megacorporations.

Tragically, many Gallente lives were sacrificed in the vain defense of Caldari freedom.


Tragically many Gallente llives were sacrificed in the vain assault on Caldari freedom. It's ironic in the extreme that a society that supposedly lauds personal liberty does not include any room for collective freedoms.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#13 - 2016-01-27 00:07:05 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
Yeah, it took us a while to realize people have a right to live in whatever primitive repressive societies they've been culturally conditioned to accept. "Freedom" isn't what the Caldari fought to keep. They had that. The Caldari fought to subjugate themselves to Megacorporations.

Tragically, many Gallente lives were sacrificed in the vain defense of Caldari freedom.


Tragically many Gallente llives were sacrificed in the vain assault on Caldari freedom. It's ironic in the extreme that a society that supposedly lauds personal liberty does not include any room for collective freedoms.

Collective chaos or personal chaos, it doesn't matter. Same dehumanizing concept, that turns peoples into boundless animals, without love, friendship, loyalty, honor, morals and laws.

What gallente society doesn't allow, it is called independence. And this is what the State cultivates. We have earned our independence from Gallente with weapons in arms. And each our corporation within the State is independent of each other.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2016-01-27 02:58:00 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
I sense much animosity toward the Gallente here..... Oh well, as the ancient gallente proverb states: Haters gonna' hate.


*rolls a joint an takes a hit*

Also, all you f**kers need Amauté...


Of course I have some animosity towards the Gallente. They kept telling me that I'm free to eat anything and then shove a plate of snails right under my nose and tell me to eat it. Then they act offended when I choose NOT to eat the snail.

I am free to refuse, dammit!

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#15 - 2016-01-27 03:53:14 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
I sense much animosity toward the Gallente here..... Oh well, as the ancient gallente proverb states: Haters gonna' hate.


*rolls a joint an takes a hit*

Also, all you f**kers need Amauté...


Of course I have some animosity towards the Gallente. They kept telling me that I'm free to eat anything and then shove a plate of snails right under my nose and tell me to eat it. Then they act offended when I choose NOT to eat the snail.

I am free to refuse, dammit!

I'm Gallente and I refuse to eat snails....

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Kador Ouryon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2016-01-27 03:53:43 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Fun fact, Kimmy: Order is the highest form of Chaos.


I want citations dammit! Who are your sources?

What fills the soul? Something that guides a lost child back to it's parents arms. Or waves that dye the shores of the heart gold. A blessed breath to nurture life in a land of wheat. Or the path the Sef descend drawn in ash. In the wake of fire.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2016-01-27 04:00:38 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
I sense much animosity toward the Gallente here..... Oh well, as the ancient gallente proverb states: Haters gonna' hate.


*rolls a joint an takes a hit*

Also, all you f**kers need Amauté...


Of course I have some animosity towards the Gallente. They kept telling me that I'm free to eat anything and then shove a plate of snails right under my nose and tell me to eat it. Then they act offended when I choose NOT to eat the snail.

I am free to refuse, dammit!

I'm Gallente and I refuse to eat snails....


You are one of those Gallente who aren't trying to get me to do things in the name of liberty.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#18 - 2016-01-27 05:00:27 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
I sense much animosity toward the Gallente here..... Oh well, as the ancient gallente proverb states: Haters gonna' hate.


*rolls a joint an takes a hit*

Also, all you f**kers need Amauté...


Of course I have some animosity towards the Gallente. They kept telling me that I'm free to eat anything and then shove a plate of snails right under my nose and tell me to eat it. Then they act offended when I choose NOT to eat the snail.

I am free to refuse, dammit!

Where are you eating that they require you to eat that "food?" When I lived there I never had that problem.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2016-01-27 05:29:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Deitra Vess wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
I sense much animosity toward the Gallente here..... Oh well, as the ancient gallente proverb states: Haters gonna' hate.


*rolls a joint an takes a hit*

Also, all you f**kers need Amauté...


Of course I have some animosity towards the Gallente. They kept telling me that I'm free to eat anything and then shove a plate of snails right under my nose and tell me to eat it. Then they act offended when I choose NOT to eat the snail.

I am free to refuse, dammit!

Where are you eating that they require you to eat that "food?" When I lived there I never had that problem.


They do not actually order you to eat the damned things but they do pressure you into eating it, with suggestions and passive-aggressive statements. And they will be offended about it if you refuse to bend.

It's not that they are denying my freedom to dissent, it's that they are being really annoying about the whole thing.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#20 - 2016-01-27 05:52:03 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
I sense much animosity toward the Gallente here..... Oh well, as the ancient gallente proverb states: Haters gonna' hate.


*rolls a joint an takes a hit*

Also, all you f**kers need Amauté...


Of course I have some animosity towards the Gallente. They kept telling me that I'm free to eat anything and then shove a plate of snails right under my nose and tell me to eat it. Then they act offended when I choose NOT to eat the snail.

I am free to refuse, dammit!

Where are you eating that they require you to eat that "food?" When I lived there I never had that problem.


They do not actually order you to eat the damned things but they do pressure you into eating it, with suggestions and passive-aggressive statements. And they will be offended about it if you refuse to bend.

It's not that they are denying my freedom to dissent, it's that they are being really annoying about the whole thing.

hmm, must be who your with. The guy who I was living with just let me eat whatever without even glancing at the things I refused to eat. Honestly I never seen him eat snails or anything like that either.
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