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The Ferox is underpowered and needs a buff

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Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#81 - 2016-01-30 22:34:25 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Petrified wrote:
As someone who wants to fly a Ferox more often but does not because of it's performance, I like your suggestion.

Of course... it has been awhile since I've taken one out in combat... so maybe I need to once again.

It's not really underpowered, it's more like the Brutix and Harbinger are overpowered. However, the Brutix as a blaster ship is crippled by its poor speed.


Brutix is the 3rd fastest BC, only behind the hurricane/cyclone (which speed is kind of minmatar's thing). However, it is the most agile BC. Which follow's typical gallente brawler setups. The thorax, deimos and now brutix are all very agile in their class. Maybe not the fastest (but still 3rd fastest), but agile. Which is important when you need to catch faster ships on something like a gate or plex entrance.

Its a brawler, and suffer's the same as most other brawler's in the meta. It can be easily kited. Does the Brutix need more speed? No. BC's are actually much better in mobility than before, and some just as fast as some of the slower cruisers. Its just a blaster boat in a kiter's world.

I think the brutix is fairly well balanced because of this. It has high dps, but only if it catches you. At the same time, I feel like the main area it does hurt in, is mids. I think the T1 brutix should not get a utility high, and instead move the utility high to a mid. Navy brutix can retain the utility high.

The reason is because the brutix suffers trying to balance between an active tank bonus and a highly unfavorable role in the current meta. It has to have a cap booster, scram, web and MWD to perform the brawler role, but then can't use an MJD. If you sacrifice a scram, web or MWD you pay for it in application, physical mobility or obviously holding tackle. Not having a web in the meta where things with sigs under 80m are common is a death wish.

So having a 5th mid would open up a couple options. Double web which doesn't resolve the MJD issue, but does provide very good application for blasters (good counter to t3d/frigs). Or allow it to fit an MJD so it can brawl on demand, and MJD from the linked garmur holding you for the 5 falcons and a sleip in warp.

Reaver Glitterstim wrote:

while the Ferox has a ton of excess powergrid it has no need for.


Wat. Did you not just read that the ferox was designed around rail guns? Railguns take more grid than blasters, how is this not obvious? The difference between the ferox and brutix in PG is around 150. The difference between t2 neutrons and t2 250mm is about 125PG. So maybe the ferox is over on PG by a little. But the grid is not for nothing, its so it can fit railguns and snipe.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#82 - 2016-01-30 22:41:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Nevyn Auscent
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
I think the T1 brutix should not get a utility high, and instead move the utility high to a mid. Navy brutix can retain the utility high.

All T1 CBC get a Utility high to go with their ability to fit a Command Link. Lets not mess with the actual entry into links shall we.

However this thread is nothing but Reaver blindly insisting the Ferox is UP despite it being one of the most popular BC's for general use.
Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#83 - 2016-01-30 22:57:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitch Kaneland
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
I think the T1 brutix should not get a utility high, and instead move the utility high to a mid. Navy brutix can retain the utility high.

All T1 CBC get a Utility high to go with their ability to fit a Command Link. Lets not mess with the actual entry into links shall we.

However this thread is nothing but Reaver blindly insisting the Ferox is UP despite it being one of the most popular BC's for general use.


I used to think the same, CCP already set the precedent with the navy drake about a CBC not having a utility high for links+guns, while providing a link bonus to the hull.

You could argue the point about the navy drake being faction, but its still a BC with a link bonus that doesn't have a utility high. The T1 brutix would be no different. Plus its not like the brutix is the go to t1 link BC, and with the mobility and similar cost+utility, a 1 link command dessie outshines anything a T1 BC could do (with 1 link anyway). As far as entry into links, again, someone who wants a ship that can field 1 link is going to train into a command dessie. Or, just fly a different T1 BC or not put guns on the brutix. So it really doesn't change anything.

The Brutix having a 5th mid wouldn't make it anymore powerful, but it would still be able to brawl and have the option to fit an MJD without sacrificing something that makes the fit work.

Don't get me wrong, i think the brutix is still a solid ship, but its a brawler in a kiter's game atm. Most other brawling BC's can fit an MJD or MJD/Prop without much issue.