Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Concord used to be tankable, then M0o happened.

How do any of those mechanics "just encourage more alt play"? Unless you're suggesting that gankers would choose to dodge these mechanics simply by rolling a new character every time they gank someone in order to dodge the standings, and I guess make a bunch of alts to somehow lower concord reaction time in high-death areas (that makes no sense, actually, you sure you can read?), make alts to somehow just remove the stolen tag from goods(that also makes no sense.. I'm really starting to think you can't read).

The idea generates conflict, gives people a chance to take the war to gankers, and adds viable mechanics that actually, ****, make sense. If you don't actually have anything more than asterisks to respond with (read: constructive criticism), I'm just going to work under the assumption that you can't read. Which is where I am right now. Who wrote this for you?

Care to explain how that would actually work?

I use those systems. I've only ever been ganked in highsec once, and my trade is a nullsec hauler, so believe me, I'm not standing behind this because I'm afraid of gankers or I'm too stupid to fly my ship, I'm actually pretty damn good at what I do. I stand behind this because the current system just doesn't make any damn sense. I don't want to get rid of gankers, I want to get rid of the fact that Concord right now seems completely ********, and that should be fixed. I know new systems are tough to learn, but HTFU.

To answer your question about the stolen items tag, the best way for you to discover what that would do beyond just having a little flag that does nothing (which you would know if you read more than the bullet points) is to buy a stock of non-synth boosters in Jita and move them to Dodixie. You'll find that your trip is pretty interesting. Before you ***** and moan, yes, it is possible to do, HTFU.

As far as why a ganker needs to dock, well, there are a lot of reasons. Characters need to dock up, period. The fact is, these things would make a ganker's job more challenging. I'm not saying it's a great idea because gankers are OP, I'm saying it's a great idea because it makes sense and, well, as far as it being more challenging for gankers to do their job? HTFU.

As far as your standings getting low, I believe you're thinking of normal Caldari standings, but I'm thinking of security status. I wish gankers luck when their sec status is really low and the NPC cops are chasing them in their glass cannon builds and they can't dock, but in the end of the day, they can HTFU.

This idea has nothing to do with the 'problem' of people dying, like gankers tend to attribute any criticism that comes their way too. The idea is about Concord behaving in a way that's actually believable, generating content, and just adding good gameplay. You'd know that the idea had nothing to do with that if you'd read the post. Not the first post, of course, that's way to exploitable, I mean the reposted idea by the other guy that you quoted. All in all however, I think criticism would be easier to stomach if you'd HTFU.

Lastly, these complicated systems that people can use to get past gankers? New people don't know those systems. Yes, they will learn them the hard way, but anything that gives newbies a /little/ bit of an edge without removing the things that make EVE what it is, I'm all for, because we all know you need all the help you can get in this game. If you'd rather see the newbies suffer than have to do any extra work learning a new system or coming up with new ways to do your job, well, HTFU.

Honestly, if that was how it worked, I might even take up ganking. Right now I can't stomach it because it just all seems so fake and unimmersive.

Somehow, I don't believe you.

Oh wait, I know how. Because if you were telling the truth about that, you wouldn't be asking to have it nerfed. So you must really be using this as a smokescreen for your real motivations.

Packaged boosters still have legality, packaged **** could still have legality, add a little orange icon to the top of people's **** like you do when I pilot is suspect for the stolen items until they are laundered. Boom, no one is confused by all packaged goods being safe.

Honestly though, I am not super attached to that particular mechanic. It's cool, whatever, but it's the dock effects and Concord response time that I found the most appealing. Mostly, I just want to see Concord act less ********. It would make the most sense to me if only unpackaged goods were marked as stolen, because someone might recognize the damage/random scuff marks/etc on those exact modules, but how can you tell the difference between this particular exotic dancer and every other one floating around the system? However, I figured doing it for some items but not all items would be more complicated than just doing it for all items.

This would require doubling the item database so that every single item had a 'stolen' counterpart in the database for legality.
Read what he actually said about how the database works.

Red frog pays off the gankers, so that may influence the stats to some extent.

Citation is demanded for this statement.