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Low-Sec PvP - Is this considered "easy mode"?
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Torothin
Crimson Dawn Enterprises
#41 - 2016-01-26 19:07:22 UTC
Malcolm from Marketing wrote:
Torothin wrote:
No fear of bubbles and losing those expensive implants upon blowing up must be nice. Is this considered PvP with an asterisk beside it?


Wow theres a name i havnt seen for a while!
Back in my Dreddit days this guy was the undisputed king of **** posting, like troll level 11/10
Good to see nothing has changed haha

What's happening man, Dreddit Reject your app on principal? Lol



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Chopper Rollins
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#42 - 2016-01-27 00:51:20 UTC
Torothin wrote:
You were basing your argument on 0.0 sov PvP which is F1 monkey PvP. That's equally as bad as low-sec PvP on many levels.


This meme of Hurr Sov PVP is F1 Munkey Hurr has been thrown around so much that irrelevant lowsec garden-gnomes are starting to throw it around.
Sov can force you into engaging on a front you aren't prepared to supply or dedicate resources to. The F1 monkey situation can only hold because of the scale of conflict. Sure there are large numbers of people being told by one FC where to align, what range to hod at, what to shoot. Their organisation and discipline allows them to not split damage or straggle and thus contribute to holding the field.
Fleet role ships actually play their part, in lowsec HICS n DICS are just uber versions of T1 with a resist profile worth the pricetag. In a sov battle they can hold enemies under damage or slow them down enough to change the course of the day.
So you're trolling or ignorant, there is no comparison to be made.
The idea that snake implants cannot be lost in lowsec is also flat wrong. Smartbomb rokhs and proteus very often wreck 2bn pods on lowsec gates. It's the fart-joke of pvp.
Lowsec pvp is without consequence higher than losing a pos scratching at a skinny moon.


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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#43 - 2016-01-27 01:44:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
Sounds like Null tears to me. We have it so much harder. /tear

You have like 1000 or more people to come running to help whenever you have all those issues. Lowsec corps generally are on their own. In null, you get station camped, then the intelligence channel is full of cries. "HALP" "HALP" And a few hundred players come to your rescue.

In LS or NPC null, you get station camped. You are on your own, or maybe you can call a few people to your aid, but nothing close to what is available in sov null.

LIke shahfluffers said, it's all tradeoffs, but any cries that one is more "real" than the other is just myopic.

Players that like LS would probably enjoy NPC null.

Oh, and all this talk about LS = complete safety for implants. Whatever. Bombs aren't the only way to take out pods.

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Torothin
Crimson Dawn Enterprises
#44 - 2016-01-27 01:47:31 UTC
If I could lose my ship and not fear about losing my 1.5B worth of implants due to no bubbles in null then I wouldn't have made this post. Life must truly be nice as a low sec PvPer.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#45 - 2016-01-27 02:04:51 UTC
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#46 - 2016-01-27 02:04:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Torothin wrote:
If I could lose my ship and not fear about losing my 1.5B worth of implants due to no bubbles in null then I wouldn't have made this post. Life must truly be nice as a low sec PvPer.

In null, just go to an empty system and have no fear of losing anything.

Nullsec isn't more dangerous just because there are bubbles. Every space has it's unique risks and styles of gameplay and threads based on claiming others have it easier is just chest beating, yet go and look at your own killboard: 92 losses with 1428 kills. Risk mitigation seems just fine.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#47 - 2016-01-27 05:50:54 UTC
Torothin wrote:
Malcolm from Marketing wrote:
Torothin wrote:
No fear of bubbles and losing those expensive implants upon blowing up must be nice. Is this considered PvP with an asterisk beside it?


Wow theres a name i havnt seen for a while!
Back in my Dreddit days this guy was the undisputed king of **** posting, like troll level 11/10
Good to see nothing has changed haha

What's happening man, Dreddit Reject your app on principal? Lol



This is a legit debate. If you have nothing of value to add then please refrain from posting. Thank you.

I guess you should stop posting then. Roll

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Abannan
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2016-01-27 08:59:17 UTC
"Easy mode/Hard mode" PvP is more dependant on you than the security of the system you're fighting in. You could be in nullsec with 200 of your closest friends fighting another man and his 200 friends, you could be in lowsec in a solo battleship fighting a 10 man gate camp. It could also be the other way around, all depends what you're doing really.
Torothin
Crimson Dawn Enterprises
#49 - 2016-01-27 11:20:53 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Torothin wrote:
If I could lose my ship and not fear about losing my 1.5B worth of implants due to no bubbles in null then I wouldn't have made this post. Life must truly be nice as a low sec PvPer.

In null, just go to an empty system and have no fear of losing anything.

Nullsec isn't more dangerous just because there are bubbles. Every space has it's unique risks and styles of gameplay and threads based on claiming others have it easier is just chest beating, yet go and look at your own killboard: 92 losses with 1428 kills. Risk mitigation seems just fine.



So you call it risk mitigation and not the results of a veteran PvPer?
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#50 - 2016-01-27 11:26:20 UTC
what's your point OP? you want to prove that null pvper is the bestest pvper ever?!

you're trying a little bit too hard son, lol.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#51 - 2016-01-27 11:53:09 UTC
Torothin wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Torothin wrote:
If I could lose my ship and not fear about losing my 1.5B worth of implants due to no bubbles in null then I wouldn't have made this post. Life must truly be nice as a low sec PvPer.

In null, just go to an empty system and have no fear of losing anything.

Nullsec isn't more dangerous just because there are bubbles. Every space has it's unique risks and styles of gameplay and threads based on claiming others have it easier is just chest beating, yet go and look at your own killboard: 92 losses with 1428 kills. Risk mitigation seems just fine.



So you call it risk mitigation and not the results of a veteran PvPer?

A 15:1 kill to loss ratio isn't solely because you're somehow gods gift to pvp. It's because, like everyone who is successful at pvp, you mitigate the risk of loss to ensure you have the greatest chance of getting the kill while not dying.

The net result is the same. The risk you are facing in your pvp is not all that extreme. Your own stats show that. Certainly no higher than others face in lowsec in their pvp. Nullsec can be every bit just as much pvp on "easy mode".
Torothin
Crimson Dawn Enterprises
#52 - 2016-01-27 13:26:00 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
what's your point OP? you want to prove that null pvper is the bestest pvper ever?!

you're trying a little bit too hard son, lol.




My point is that I have been hearing for the past 6 months how low-sec PvP is the best form of PvP from all these low-sec dwelling residents. My goal of this post was to state the differences and how low-sec PvPers have a distinct advantage from a risk mitigation stand point.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#53 - 2016-01-27 13:48:20 UTC
people lose implants all the time in lowsec

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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#54 - 2016-01-27 15:11:32 UTC
Torothin wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
what's your point OP? you want to prove that null pvper is the bestest pvper ever?!

you're trying a little bit too hard son, lol.




My point is that I have been hearing for the past 6 months how low-sec PvP is the best form of PvP from all these low-sec dwelling residents. My goal of this post was to state the differences and how low-sec PvPers have a distinct advantage from a risk mitigation stand point.


i think you heard wrong, lowsec is the "best" place to PvP not the best "form", especially in Gal/Cal FW warzone, you just need to undock to pew. risk aversion is relative, although we prefer small ships (and therefore cheap) we lost a bunch of them in a day, after all, FW is a war of attrition.

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Arla Sarain
#55 - 2016-01-27 15:58:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Arla Sarain
Anoron Secheh wrote:
Yeah, it's next to impossible to catch them (pods) in lowsec.

Except people do it on a daily basis.
Torothin
Crimson Dawn Enterprises
#56 - 2016-01-27 16:12:32 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Torothin wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
what's your point OP? you want to prove that null pvper is the bestest pvper ever?!

you're trying a little bit too hard son, lol.




My point is that I have been hearing for the past 6 months how low-sec PvP is the best form of PvP from all these low-sec dwelling residents. My goal of this post was to state the differences and how low-sec PvPers have a distinct advantage from a risk mitigation stand point.


i think you heard wrong, lowsec is the "best" place to PvP not the best "form", especially in Gal/Cal FW warzone, you just need to undock to pew. risk aversion is relative, although we prefer small ships (and therefore cheap) we lost a bunch of them in a day, after all, FW is a war of attrition.



I can also undock and PvP in fountain. There are 7 different hostile alliances within a 7 jump radius of HQ. But I get what you're saying. FW is fun with that regard especially if all you want to do is log in, undock, and PvP. My situation is hard to find most places in 0.0. I used to do the amarr/minnie fw where the HQ for both sides was 2 jumps apart.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2016-01-27 20:06:36 UTC
Torothin wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Torothin wrote:
If I could lose my ship and not fear about losing my 1.5B worth of implants due to no bubbles in null then I wouldn't have made this post. Life must truly be nice as a low sec PvPer.

In null, just go to an empty system and have no fear of losing anything.

Nullsec isn't more dangerous just because there are bubbles. Every space has it's unique risks and styles of gameplay and threads based on claiming others have it easier is just chest beating, yet go and look at your own killboard: 92 losses with 1428 kills. Risk mitigation seems just fine.



So you call it risk mitigation and not the results of a veteran PvPer?


Being in a big fleet, shooting lots of structures, all these things and more add up to the typical nulseccer's 90%+ success rate. Meanwhile, if you're solo in low, and doing better than 50% success rate, there's little chance that some nulsec fleet tramp is going to get the better of you. At least, not without a hundred of his buddies.

Sometimes, the risk is its own reward, but there is a big difference between risk mitigation, and risk aversion. I suggest you actually spend some time solo in lowsec before you call it 'easy mode'.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2016-01-27 20:12:12 UTC
Torothin wrote:
Malcolm from Marketing wrote:
Torothin wrote:
No fear of bubbles and losing those expensive implants upon blowing up must be nice. Is this considered PvP with an asterisk beside it?


Wow theres a name i havnt seen for a while!
Back in my Dreddit days this guy was the undisputed king of **** posting, like troll level 11/10
Good to see nothing has changed haha

What's happening man, Dreddit Reject your app on principal? Lol



This is a legit debate. If you have nothing of value to add then please refrain from posting. Thank you.


A legit debate?

You post an antagonistic OP that essentially belittles the average lowsec PVP, and severely underestimates the above average one, with little more than a personal attack on any lowsec PVP'er's ability and/or prowess, and you expect a legitimate debate? You honestly expect people to consider you worth taking seriously?

Meth, not even once kids.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2016-01-27 20:14:47 UTC
Arla Sarain wrote:
Anoron Secheh wrote:
Yeah, it's next to impossible to catch them (pods) in lowsec.

Except people do it on a daily basis.


What, with smartbombs?

Parking a ship in the path of a known pod-travel trajectory is not 'catching' anything. The only pods you're actually legitimately catching in lowsec are idiots, newbies, and afk'ers.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#60 - 2016-01-27 21:03:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Muad 'dib
I like low sec and made the move because i like small or solo pvp and also like to dock and take a pee when ever i like, one of the reasons i thought the change to fw docking rights in low sec (strangely not in high sec, instead useless navy) rather annoying and overlooked for those that risk their ass in low sec.

implants being safe is a myth, theres still lag, fast lockers and smart smartbombers to eat your HG set.

Id really like to see an increase in the number of people in low sec beyond a failed and forgotern faction war. Make the belts more attractive, make sites faster to run and more profit (big flaw in fw is sitting like a duck in a plex for 15 minutes is one DUMB thing to do for a few lp imo (RIP fw after inferno)

stop your whining and either pvp/pve in low sec or dont, for those that live there - we have fun amongst ourselves with 1/1000 the drama that 0.0 is.

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