Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It increases the need for good piloting if you actually stop to think for a second.

"Fly closer if you want to get closer"... That quite a stupid outlook, especially for the features and ideas section. It can literally be applied to anything. Using your logic web and scrams are not needed because propulsion mods exist. Logi is not required because you can fly away from what is dealing damage to you. A Cynon is not required because we have gates.

If you don't get the idea or simply don't like it that is fine. Feel free to make an argument but don't use flawed logic to back up your cheap, troll comments.

So we are limiting ideas now? That is a stupid thing to say but then again you have yet to make a well reasoned and intelligent argument so I'm not surprised.

I have clearly stated my reasoning so perhaps you could do the same instead of saying "it takes away range control" when in actuality I helps balance range control and increases the importance of piloting skill.

Please stop asking rhetorical questions and making assumptions that i could easily offer a solution to.

You don't like the idea because you think it would disrupt the kiting tactic. Fine, i get it. Move on!

You have been asked at least a dozen questions and so far you have not answered any of them other than to restate your original idea. To be more direct I have asked you twice in the past and I will ask you again I want more SPECIFIC information on this "EQUATION" you keep referring to that would govern the function of this module in game.

Yes it is YOUR responsibility to answer that question it is YOUR idea.

I have tried to be open minded and I have tired to get you to expand your idea to the next level of discussion by providing us with more details into the specifics of how this will work and so far all we get is the usual crap answer of you would know if you would read my posts type of crap.

As it stands right now you get a resounding HELL NO (that's a -1 by the way) from me.
If you want that to change OR you want me to help you work out any problems that the rest of us can see in your basic concept then give me the information I need to do that.

I have answered plenty of questions. In particular, I have answered all Serendipity Lost's questions because she was one of the few people be constructive (in her own way).

You're question didn't warrant an answer IMO. You want details on the equation and i gave you the variables, so you should be able to see how it works for yourself.

What are you specifically having trouble with?

Are you able to warp out of the new citadel tractor beams?

... If not, then yes I think the mechanic should be updated. Don't you?

Consider the strength that would be needed to hold a prop modded T3 cruiser, with a beam that strong there is not a frigate in the game that would be able to get away.

Turning that around and weaken the beam to the point where frigates have a chance to get away and that prop modded T3 cruiser will simply laugh at your pathetic attempt as he flies away from you.

We can further compound the math hassles by looking at those pesky high speed light weight interceptors, and at the opposite end of the scale is that unique combination of near frigate class speed and battleship mass known as the Machariel.

Does your math formula consider the maximum speed possible or the speed at the time the tractor beam is activated.

So in a very basic and very short form there is my problem. No matter how I look at this the math just never works you always end up with some ships guaranteed to be held while others are guaranteed to always get away.
So what I want from you as the one who proposed this idea is your idea on the actual math formula that the game could use.
How would you write the formula so that ALL ships had an equal chance to get away from your tractor.

So, you profected this "great idea" that you had, but otherwise can't be arsed to defend or expound on it?

Got it, you apparently have nothing useful to add to your own thread, so we can lock it now.

You're expected to at least have thought out the idea enough so that you would be able to identify methods of abusing the mechanic, and possibly suggest counters for said abuse. You're expected to at least have thought out the idea enough so that you would be able to identify problems like Donnachadh is seeing. You've done none of this.

All you have done is say "this would be cool," and complain when people call you out on your inability to flesh out your own idea. If you can't be bothered to provide any of the thought behind your idea, then you must not think highly enough about. If you don't think highly about it, why should anyone else?

And yes, I have the same powers to report your thread as everyone else does.

You are correct it does not satisfy me and it is now perfectly clear that you do not have a single clue about how to actually implement this idea you just want it because it is cool.


This is the worst part of the whole thing, your idea would instantly eliminate from any practical form of use in this game an entire class of ships. How do you justify that?

And so I close out my last post in this topic with my final verdict on your idea.

-1 - because you have not and will not help us try and work through some of the problems that we see in your idea.

This will fall on deaf ears and blind eyes but here goes any way.
The more completely you think out an idea and yes that includes any basic MATH it may need to function in game the better your chances are to convert the skeptics on this or any other forum, and more importantly having thought that much about your idea improves your chances of success with CCP and getting it put into the game.