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Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-01-16 18:23:32 UTC
which costs about 5M ISK, can perma jam any frigate / destroyer sized ship at 80km ? I don't get it.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#2 - 2016-01-16 18:25:57 UTC
what's the problem if you can do the same? o.O

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Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-01-16 18:33:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Triakis Cadelanne
Nat Silverguard wrote:
what's the problem if you can do the same? o.O


The fact that it's game breaker and remove anything intresting from the fight ?

+ the fact that everybody isn't able to skill a Griffin alt.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#4 - 2016-01-16 18:40:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Steady on mate, off grid boosts havent been removed yet. Your griffin alt complaint is a little premature.

Gotta adhere to correct priorities on the crusade for predictable and fair pvp.
Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2016-01-16 18:45:50 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Steady on mate, off grid boosts havent been removed yet. You griffin alt complaint is a little premature.


So is it what you're recycling your links in ?
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#6 - 2016-01-16 18:53:50 UTC
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Steady on mate, off grid boosts havent been removed yet. You griffin alt complaint is a little premature.


So is it what you're recycling your links in ?


Unless i think of something even more annoying.
Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-01-16 18:56:11 UTC
*spew out*
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#8 - 2016-01-16 19:14:30 UTC
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
what's the problem if you can do the same? o.O


The fact that it's game breaker and remove anything intresting from the fight ?

+ the fact that everybody isn't able to skill a Griffin alt.


game breaker? i actually prefer damp than ecm.

ecm is rng, damp is 100%.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#9 - 2016-01-16 20:01:12 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
Why does the Griffin, which costs about 5M ISK, can perma jam any frigate / destroyer sized ship at 80km ? I don't get it.

Even with a high jamming probability, there is a chance the jam will fail.

And given the Griffin's tank (or lack of thereof) it only takes one failed jam to seal its fate.

Also... ECM-pilots tend to have issues with prioritization when one or two people are gunning for them and they are tasked with jamming people fighting their comrades.
So even if you (the person gunning for the Griffin) are jammed out, that means the Griffin pilot is focused on you and not the field of battle he/she is supposed to be assisting with. You are helping your fleetmates either way.

How did you Veterans start?
ivona fly
Black Fox Marauders
Pen Is Out
#10 - 2016-01-17 01:04:50 UTC  |  Edited by: ivona fly
Griffin only landing one jam is only cancelling out another ship and the griffin pilot might as well be in a DPS ship, are we saying it should only be able to jam cheap ships?

Unless the griffin is constantly jamming multiple targets it is not overpowering the fight. ECM can be a counter to overwhelming logistics, I think there is a place for it still, they do sometimes explode without landing a jam Big smile

But of course when I jams me I want the thing removed from the game ASAP Pirate
Silverbackyererse
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2016-01-17 02:26:08 UTC
Another wah wah wah cancer thread? Lol
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#12 - 2016-01-17 09:54:29 UTC
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
which costs about 5M ISK, can perma jam any frigate / destroyer sized ship at 80km ? I don't get it.

coz one volley from a flight of light drones will pop it?

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Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2016-01-17 10:58:33 UTC
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
which costs about 5M ISK, can perma jam any frigate / destroyer sized ship at 80km ? I don't get it.


Show us on the armor Ab brawler atron doll where the mean griffin touched you.

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2016-01-17 14:31:33 UTC
Not much small sized ship will hit at 70 - 80 km, and you almost never get them when you fly with only 2 - 3 people. And if a single ship got this range it'll never insta pop the griffin unless they're 3 or more (ofc if Griffin isn't dumb-fitted).

I got issues with the range of this thing, that just can deny 2+ ennemy ships without risking anything.
commander aze
#15 - 2016-01-17 18:31:33 UTC
So I'll take a swing at this.

Everything has a counter.

ECM can be countered by damps, neuts, Alpha, drones, etc. Also fitting to counter an enemy is a things too. Fit to boost your sensor strength and the problem becomes less of a pain.

Its not game breaking if your flying a piece of glass through space. Just bring the right ships against it. (being a multiplayer game this is an option.)

Probably not the answer your looking for but I doubt ccp will consider changing a mechanic they like considering the range of options to counter it.

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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#16 - 2016-01-17 23:27:36 UTC
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
I got issues with the range of this thing, that just can deny 2+ ennemy ships without risking anything.


FYI: With Long Distance Jamming V, a Griffin caps out at around 66km optimal range on their jams. If they're jamming you from 80km, they're either A: Getting deep into falloff (vastly reduced chance of success) and they're skirting the lock range limit of their ship (81km with Long Range Targeting V) or B: being boosted by warfare links. NOTE: Information links are very, very low on most FCs list of priorities (eg: they're kind of unusual to see in small gang situations. Large fleet fights on the other hand.....).

Perfectly skilled, Griffins cap out at around 9.9 points of unheated Jam Strength (~11.1 heated) when using the 'standard' fit and they have something on the order of 1,300 EHP. They die horribly in a fire as soon as anyone gets a couple of shots off on them.

Perhaps this will help: EWAR for Newbies

[Griffin, *Standard* Fit]
'Hypnos' Signal Distortion Amplifier I
'Hypnos' Signal Distortion Amplifier I

BZ-5 Neutralizing Spatial Destabilizer ECM
Enfeebling Phase Inversion ECM I
'Hypnos' Ion Field ECM I
'Umbra' White Noise ECM
5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

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Small Particle Dispersion Projector I
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Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#17 - 2016-01-22 00:17:48 UTC
ECCM - Drones or Auto Targeting Missiles. Problem solved.
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#18 - 2016-01-22 00:19:11 UTC
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
Not much small sized ship will hit at 70 - 80 km, and you almost never get them when you fly with only 2 - 3 people. And if a single ship got this range it'll never insta pop the griffin unless they're 3 or more (ofc if Griffin isn't dumb-fitted).

I got issues with the range of this thing, that just can deny 2+ ennemy ships without risking anything.


Maulus. Its like you aren't even trying man.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#19 - 2016-01-22 00:41:40 UTC
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
Why does the Griffin

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ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#20 - 2016-01-22 04:16:01 UTC
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
Not much small sized ship will hit at 70 - 80 km, and you almost never get them when you fly with only 2 - 3 people. And if a single ship got this range it'll never insta pop the griffin unless they're 3 or more (ofc if Griffin isn't dumb-fitted).

I got issues with the range of this thing, that just can deny 2+ ennemy ships without risking anything.


M8 if my less than 5m SP alt (at the time) can fight at 80km in frigs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa7ygB8skUE then anyone can.
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