Crime & Punishment

You know, its almost as if the OP hadn't even read The New Halaima Code of Conduct....

If he had, he would know that the New Order of Highsec (of which CODE., long may they wave, is only a part) is the legitimate government of highsec. The Code was written by James 315 in a democratic fashion after he was unanimously elected the Supreme Protector of Highsec back in 2012. If the OP had a problem with that he should have voted against him.

As the legitimate government of highsec, the New Order is enforcing the law against the criminals who violate it daily, ie, the AFK highsec miners, blinged out freighter pilots and autopiloting shiny pod wrappers, all without permits. Botting and bot aspirancy are specifically listed in the Code as not permitted in New Order systems (those between .5 and 1.0 in security status). It is equally clear from reading the Code why the majority of New Order of Highsec activities take place in highsec. Its right in the name.

Why the OP thinks that CCP would interfere with routine law enforcement is unclear. Additionally, his attempts to come to C&P to find people to rebel against the New Order is akin to looking for a Nun at the Classic Cat. C&P is where the good guys hang out. If he wants to find fellow rebels against authority he should be over in the Science & Industry forum or something. He probably realizes it as he scrolls through the pages of posts by New Order and CODE. supporters from across all of Eve.

Often when someone cannot understand why his perceptions and reality are clashing its a matter of selfish viewpoint. Here the OP cannot resolve his understanding of why CCP allows the New Order to do what we do. If only he could realize that CCP WANTS this sort of thing to go on in their game his confusion (much like his ships) would disappear.

I recommend he go to www.minerbumping.com, read the Code carefully, and then buy a mining permit from his local Agent. A life of crime just doesn't seem to suit him. He should follow the law.

It is just a correlation, but that is not the conclusion he presents. Rise clearly states that new players that are ganked in their first 15 days are much more likely to subscribe to the game than those that experience no ship loss at all.

You can interpret that correlation in many ways, but it is perfectly consistent with what Rise states in the forum post I linked above. Eve is a terrible solo game. Mining alone in your Venture for 15 days is probably some of the most boring gameplay one can find in a video game in 2016. It is totally reasonable then that players that engage with the game by interacting with others via the market, a corporation, a war/duel or a gank would be more likely to be drawn in and keep playing.

Anyways, that is what CCP has seemed to have concluded. Feel free to believe or not, but seems reasonable to me.

yes, and some interesting things are really coming forth. Not what I started the thread for, but sure... let's go with this instead. I just finished watching the conclusion of the vid, and it's quite interesting. The correlation between being ganked and retention is undeniable, but I would really like to see more data around the correlation. I do hope that CCP at the very least continues to research this.

I also support game changes that would lead to the downsizing or destruction of CODE.

To be specific, I'm a proponent of
A) 2, 4, and 6 million isk war declaration costs for the first three wars (cheaper war costs)
B) the elimination of the venture and re-institution of Corp restricted aggro for theft. (Re-introduction of can flipping)

These two changes would destroy CODE in its current format because all of its members would be able to have 10x the fun pursuing other activities.

Ganking has a place, but I see CODE more as a protest against the destruction of high-sec warfare and casual fighting than as a playstyle. Yes, hulkagedon is still fun but Ganking becomes more of a moneymaking scheme when there are other options for high sec fighting.

This would also downsize the super MERC groups ( who are currently just pooling money around sugar daddies to afford war decs).

I'm Mo and I support this message.

Mo

Wrong! You should read the Golden rules of EVE

But let me quote the important ones for you, because it's pretty obvious that you have some misconceptions about EVE.

• You consent to PvP when you click "undock".
• You are not safe in 1.0 security space. CONCORD is there to punish, not to protect. Get used to the idea.
• In most cases, the only way to be 100% safe from agression inside the game is to be docked in a station. Being cloaked
• in a secret safespot could work too.

That's a pretty simple concept, isn't it?
Get used to the idea, HTFU or GTFO!

Immoral to us as human beings in the real world on planet earth? Absolutely, it's the same as blowing up your neighbor's car for fun. Immoral when we life in New Eden, where the ganker is a wealthy immortal demi-god who doesn't kill, but just temporarily inconveniences another wealthy demi-god? Not at all.

You're bringing real life rules of morality into a fundamentally different world.

100% wrong.

The best understanding of the true intent of ganking, in so far as code goes, is there in miner bumping. To simmer down and paraphrase the intent from the role playing flavor of it all is a fairly subjective process.

It is my personal opinion that there are some fairly simple precepts to why code formed and why it continues to grow.

1) Hisec is far too safe on its face value. This has bred a large class of AFK players who believe that they have the right to be left alone unless they wish it.

2) Since the rewards of hisec are so competitive with those of "risky" low or nul more and more people migrate away from the places where (arguably) PVP is supposed to be happening.

3) With all of the wealth and players concentrated in hisec it is normal biology that the content wpuld move with them.

All in all those 3 factors create a perfect storm where Code or its like is the natural progression as an organized group moves in to find content. If the rewards of hisec were cut down, or low/nul made significantly more profitable then more players would have a reason to leave Hisec. Likewise, if Hisec players became more willing and adept at dealing with ganks and gankers, Code would have less content to work with.

Ultimately, it is my belief that the game will cotinue as is until there is a significant change to hisec either in economics or security. And the storytelling from CCP over the last few years hints that might be something down the road. Between Jove taking their place at council and the death of the Empress, there is a lot of room for narative.

Morality is situational, not absolute. What is moral under one circumstance can not be in another.

I have no interest in getting into a lengthy philosophical discussion on the forums for a video game, but in the context of everyone in New Eden being immortal demi-gods, killing one of them is akin to you shooting your friend when playing paintball, it's just in good fun, and hardly immoral.

Same reason you dodged around the question of whether it's acceptable to shoot someone in a modern FPS who hasn't shot at you. It's moral to shoot someone in a deathmatch FPS; it's moral to lie to someone and stab them in Diplomacy; it's moral to tank the shares of a railway company and bankrupt someone in 1830. And, it's moral to blow up someone's internet spaceship in a game about blowing up internet spaceships. When you sit down at the table you accept you're playing the game that's on the table.

And, yes, it is. You might not blow them up personally - I don't - but the entire game hinges on it. There's a demand for the minerals miners mine because they are needed for new ships; for the meta modules mission runners bring back because modules are being destroyed. Haulers have a demand to satisfy because people want new ships and modules where they are - because their old ones got blown up. Essentially everything we do in EVE is driven by a steady supply of blowings up.