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On the topic of High-sec Player Security (A discussion about ganking)

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Raithial Dan'Arona
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-01-14 15:01:08 UTC
Since reading the previous thread about Bumping and how CCP is unwilling to act in this, citing it as "Emergent gameplay", I felt it was wise to consider the full consequences of this (in)action, and possibly find a solution that would enlarge the safety of players in High-sec.

Ofcourse, I am talking about the members of CODE, but this discussion is not restricted merely the CODE. Alliance. While CODE.'s action are despicable, CCP has opted not to act themselves; Hence why I am seeing if there is something that could be done by the players themselves. While I personally feel that this is not the wisest decision in this instance, I will respect their decision, and act accordingly.
I am sure that the day that decisive action is taken against CODE. and other gankers that many rookie miner and industrialist would rejoice.

While there is definitely activity in both the Anti-ganking and Gank-intel chat-channels, this simply seems like a placebo effect, since, while many players are helped by avoiding the systems that are high in activity in such matters, it is but a drop on a hot stove.
There will always be gankers, and there will always be criminals, but as a whole, Capsuleers of New Eden must oppose, vehemently, the extortion and racketeering that is being committed by the CODE. Alliance. Their cowardice restricts them to prey upon the miner, the industrialist and the rookie. Their cowardice has restricted them to act only in high security space.
Their cult-like behavior must end.
"Bot-aspirants" is merely an excuse to validate themselves in their own eyes.
Avi Shekelstien
Doomheim
#2 - 2016-01-14 15:31:31 UTC
Point on the freighter to where the CODE agent touched you.
Nitshe Razvedka
#3 - 2016-01-14 15:45:27 UTC
Avi Shekelstien wrote:
Point on the freighter to where the CODE agent touched you.

So the cult CODE is associating itself in the milieu of rock-spiders, how appropriate. Ugh

Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.

Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.

Raithial Dan'Arona
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2016-01-14 15:57:36 UTC
Avi Shekelstien wrote:
Point on the freighter to where the CODE agent touched you.

Cute
I do find it somewhat amusing that you'd liken your Alliance to a pedophile ring.. guilty conscience?
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2016-01-14 16:15:29 UTC
Well OP, I suggest you get a band of players together with sufficient force of arms or economic clout to do something about the CODE. CCP has made thier position clear. Many players, who have just as much right to their fame play as you do, also agree that HiSec has been made far too safe and as a result activity has become stagnant.

Code has triggered more forum activities in the last year than any other single group. In fact look at just how many AFK miners, freighters, and others have been encouraged not just to PLAY the game, but to come here to vent their impotence at how unsafe a competitive pvp game is.

It reminds me of the overly entitled teenager who fails their tests and announce, "it is just not fair. "

And so forth. None the less, demanding that others do for you is not a noble call to arms. If you want to be a space trucker with no consequences might I suggest Elite.

Otherwise, be the revolutionary if you wish. Rise up enmasse amd rewrite the rules if you want. But for the love of all, stop stamping your little feet and demanding that CCP change the rules to just suit your "one moral game play" at the cost of others. It makes you sound like a petulant child being told NO for the first time.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#6 - 2016-01-14 16:40:15 UTC
Oh, look, it's this thread again.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Avi Shekelstien
Doomheim
#7 - 2016-01-14 16:52:28 UTC
Raithial Dan'Arona wrote:
Avi Shekelstien wrote:
Point on the freighter to where the CODE agent touched you.

Cute
I do find it somewhat amusing that you'd liken your Alliance to a pedophile ring.. guilty conscience?

We're also space nazis.
Raithial Dan'Arona
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2016-01-14 16:54:55 UTC
Since evidently you did not propperly read what I write I'll work through your post and see if anything I say does stick now.

"Well OP, I suggest you get a band of players together with sufficient force of arms or economic clout to do something about the CODE. CCP has made thier position clear. Many players, who have just as much right to their fame play as you do, also agree that HiSec has been made far too safe and as a result activity has become stagnant."

1. CCP has made their position clear.
2. I am not trying to engage if "fame play".
3. If CCP finds High-sec space too safe, they can change it themselves. They don't need some player-based racketeering branch to do that for them.

"Code has triggered more forum activities in the last year than any other single group. In fact look at just how many AFK miners, freighters, and others have been encouraged not just to PLAY the game, but to come here to vent their impotence at how unsafe a competitive pvp game is. "

1. CODE. has no right to dictate to others how they should play the game.
2. This post is not ment to vent any impotence of any kind. While I cannot speak for others, this one is an attempt to find likeminded people who are just as opposed to CODE. dictating how others play this game.
3. I don't mind Unsafe PVP-based games, I enjoy the compettitive nature of most. But this isn't about how Unsafe it is, it's about CODE. Dictating to others how they play said game. They are neither devellopers or moderators, after all.

"It reminds me of the overly entitled teenager who fails their tests and announce, "it is just not fair. ""
1. no, it's more like a student getting bullied incessantly and going to a teacher "Teacher, they're bullying" and when the teacher shrugs his shoulders saying "There is no rule against bullying", that the student starts to talk to other students about how to counter this sort of bullying.
Get your analogies straight.

"And so forth. None the less, demanding that others do for you is not a noble call to arms. If you want to be a space trucker with no consequences might I suggest Elite."
1. I am more than willing to get right in there with my nose to the grinding-stone, but in order to be able to combat a group like CODE. one needs allies. And where can one find people like that? Ohh, right! On the ******* forums.. like this.
2. Do not assume anything, and read very carefully what I write at all times. I use specific words for specific reasons, and trying to say "go play Elite if you don't like EVE" is more than a little insult to the time and efford I have put in EVE so far.

"Otherwise, be the revolutionary if you wish. Rise up enmasse amd rewrite the rules if you want. But for the love of all, stop stamping your little feet and demanding that CCP change the rules to just suit your "one moral game play" at the cost of others. It makes you sound like a petulant child being told NO for the first time."
1. Once again you make the mistake of assuming that I want CCP to change the rules. I might disagree and voice my disagreement, I do accept their ruling and am trying to work inside the system to change them. Which is why I am trying to find likeminded people on these forums to counter CODE.


Now that I've adressed every point you made, either join the conversation in a constructive manner without strawmen arguments, or simply **** off.
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2016-01-14 16:55:02 UTC
Avi Shekelstien wrote:
Raithial Dan'Arona wrote:
Avi Shekelstien wrote:
Point on the freighter to where the CODE agent touched you.

Cute
I do find it somewhat amusing that you'd liken your Alliance to a pedophile ring.. guilty conscience?

We're also space nazis.


As an Asian Space Jew, I am shocked by this revelation.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.

Mag's
Azn Empire
#10 - 2016-01-14 16:56:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Raithial Dan'Arona wrote:
Avi Shekelstien wrote:
Point on the freighter to where the CODE agent touched you.

Cute
I do find it somewhat amusing that you'd liken your Alliance to a pedophile ring.. guilty conscience?
Well this thread went down hill fast.

Nice going, at least it highlights where your mind is at. Oh and if you're going to use the gutter to attack players, at least spell the word correctly. Roll

Let me guess, it's the American spelling?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Raithial Dan'Arona
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2016-01-14 16:58:49 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Raithial Dan'Arona wrote:
Avi Shekelstien wrote:
Point on the freighter to where the CODE agent touched you.

Cute
I do find it somewhat amusing that you'd liken your Alliance to a pedophile ring.. guilty conscience?
Well this thread went down hill fast.

Nice going, at least it highlights where your mind is at. Oh and if you're going to use the gutter to attack players, at least spell the word correctly. Roll


English is not my first language, ánd I have dyslexia.
Moreover, I did not attack them for this, they associated themselves with it, I merely made the connection more obvious.
Avi Shekelstien
Doomheim
#12 - 2016-01-14 17:01:17 UTC
Raithial Dan'Arona wrote:
Since evidently you did not propperly read what I write I'll work through your post and see if anything I say does stick now.

"Well OP, I suggest you get a band of players together with sufficient force of arms or economic clout to do something about the CODE. CCP has made thier position clear. Many players, who have just as much right to their fame play as you do, also agree that HiSec has been made far too safe and as a result activity has become stagnant."

1. CCP has made their position clear.
2. I am not trying to engage if "fame play".
3. If CCP finds High-sec space too safe, they can change it themselves. They don't need some player-based racketeering branch to do that for them.

"Code has triggered more forum activities in the last year than any other single group. In fact look at just how many AFK miners, freighters, and others have been encouraged not just to PLAY the game, but to come here to vent their impotence at how unsafe a competitive pvp game is. "

1. CODE. has no right to dictate to others how they should play the game.
2. This post is not ment to vent any impotence of any kind. While I cannot speak for others, this one is an attempt to find likeminded people who are just as opposed to CODE. dictating how others play this game.
3. I don't mind Unsafe PVP-based games, I enjoy the compettitive nature of most. But this isn't about how Unsafe it is, it's about CODE. Dictating to others how they play said game. They are neither devellopers or moderators, after all.

"It reminds me of the overly entitled teenager who fails their tests and announce, "it is just not fair. ""
1. no, it's more like a student getting bullied incessantly and going to a teacher "Teacher, they're bullying" and when the teacher shrugs his shoulders saying "There is no rule against bullying", that the student starts to talk to other students about how to counter this sort of bullying.
Get your analogies straight.

"And so forth. None the less, demanding that others do for you is not a noble call to arms. If you want to be a space trucker with no consequences might I suggest Elite."
1. I am more than willing to get right in there with my nose to the grinding-stone, but in order to be able to combat a group like CODE. one needs allies. And where can one find people like that? Ohh, right! On the ******* forums.. like this.
2. Do not assume anything, and read very carefully what I write at all times. I use specific words for specific reasons, and trying to say "go play Elite if you don't like EVE" is more than a little insult to the time and efford I have put in EVE so far.

"Otherwise, be the revolutionary if you wish. Rise up enmasse amd rewrite the rules if you want. But for the love of all, stop stamping your little feet and demanding that CCP change the rules to just suit your "one moral game play" at the cost of others. It makes you sound like a petulant child being told NO for the first time."
1. Once again you make the mistake of assuming that I want CCP to change the rules. I might disagree and voice my disagreement, I do accept their ruling and am trying to work inside the system to change them. Which is why I am trying to find likeminded people on these forums to counter CODE.


Now that I've adressed every point you made, either join the conversation in a constructive manner without strawmen arguments, or simply **** off.

On the subject of strawmen how about you suck it up princess or learn to play the game.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#13 - 2016-01-14 17:02:32 UTC
Raithial Dan'Arona wrote:
English is not my first language, ánd I have dyslexia.
Moreover, I did not attack them for this, they associated themselves with it, I merely made the connection more obvious.
No one but you mentioned it. If you thought a forum meme needed a connection, then good for you. Like I said, it only goes to highlight your mind set.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Avi Shekelstien
Doomheim
#14 - 2016-01-14 17:02:40 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:
Avi Shekelstien wrote:
Raithial Dan'Arona wrote:
Avi Shekelstien wrote:
Point on the freighter to where the CODE agent touched you.

Cute
I do find it somewhat amusing that you'd liken your Alliance to a pedophile ring.. guilty conscience?

We're also space nazis.


As an Asian Space Jew, I am shocked by this revelation.

I do hope your papers, i mean Mining permit is in order.
Raithial Dan'Arona
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2016-01-14 17:05:26 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Raithial Dan'Arona wrote:
English is not my first language, ánd I have dyslexia.
Moreover, I did not attack them for this, they associated themselves with it, I merely made the connection more obvious.
No one but you mentioned it. If you thought a forum meme needed a connection, then good for you. Like I said, it only goes to highlight your mind set.


Ofcourse I mention it, because nobody else seemed to be able to identify it.
And you do not understand my mindset. How could you even understand my mindset based on a few forumposts? You presume to know more about me than you think.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#16 - 2016-01-14 17:17:33 UTC
Raithial Dan'Arona wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Raithial Dan'Arona wrote:
English is not my first language, ánd I have dyslexia.
Moreover, I did not attack them for this, they associated themselves with it, I merely made the connection more obvious.
No one but you mentioned it. If you thought a forum meme needed a connection, then good for you. Like I said, it only goes to highlight your mind set.


Ofcourse I mention it, because nobody else seemed to be able to identify it.
And you do not understand my mindset. How could you even understand my mindset based on a few forumposts? You presume to know more about me than you think.
Let's see.

You play Eve.
You don't like how others play Eve.
You'd like CCP to nerf how others play Eve.
Even though the game is designed to allow a sandbox game, you want to restrict it for aspects you don't like.
You're so emotional about how others play Eve, you'll go as low as to include bad taste in your arguments.
You'll use an argument, then ignore it as it suits. (See strawman)
Instead of taking action yourself and using the tools provided, you'd like hand holding mechanics from CCP.
You are the 'Just one more nerf and it will be balanced' type player. Like all those types, one will never be enough.

So let me ask you this. As this game has always allowed none consent PvP everywhere, why should the game change for you? And moreover, why the hell are you even playing it?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#17 - 2016-01-14 17:19:20 UTC
Raithial Dan'Arona wrote:
Their cowardice has restricted them to act only in high security space.

This is where you're showing your misinformation... Look at the Pynekastoh (or however you spell it) kill board and you'll see plenty of CODE. activity.

There are many, MANY, New Order members in the CODE. Alliance, they're literally everywhere ;)

Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester.

Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER

Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome

CCL Loyalist

Nitshe Razvedka
#18 - 2016-01-14 17:20:02 UTC
Raithial Dan'Arona wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Raithial Dan'Arona wrote:
English is not my first language, ánd I have dyslexia.
Moreover, I did not attack them for this, they associated themselves with it, I merely made the connection more obvious.
No one but you mentioned it. If you thought a forum meme needed a connection, then good for you. Like I said, it only goes to highlight your mind set.


Ofcourse I mention it, because nobody else seemed to be able to identify it.
And you do not understand my mindset. How could you even understand my mindset based on a few forumposts? You presume to know more about me than you think.

My young friend, before the rest of the wolves smell the blood, read this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=426574&find=unread

There be monsters here an the guide may navigate you safely on.

To the rest of you give him a life line out.

Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.

Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.

Azov Rassau
Iron Destiny
#19 - 2016-01-14 17:21:07 UTC
Raithial Dan'Arona wrote:
Capsuleers of New Eden must oppose

Raithial Dan'Arona wrote:
I am trying to find likeminded people on these forums to counter CODE.

If you mean in-game actions to fight gankers/ruin ganks, then by all means go for it and you have my support. That is exactly what Highsec residents would like to see more. What people dislike, however, is the One More Nerf types who do nothing but whine and insult.
I'm taking a needed break from online gaming at this moment, but do not hesitate to send me an EVE-mail if you're interested in learning more about different ways of countering the gankers.

Be the change you want to see in Highsec.

Anti-Ganking Fun: www.gankerjamming.com

Areen Sassel
Dirac Angestun Gesept
#20 - 2016-01-14 17:26:32 UTC
Raithial Dan'Arona wrote:
Ofcourse I mention it, because nobody else seemed to be able to identify it.


I wonder it is worth considering an alternative hypothesis where no-one mentioned it because it's blindingly obvious.

CODE does have the right to dictate how people play the game - just as a well-organised gatecamp has the right to dictate whether or not people play the game by flying through that gate, or highsec mercs have the right to dictate whether or not you can play the game by messing about on the Jita undock.

I liked the Buddhist CODE thread better.
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