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EvE Berserker (Pilot flown cloak capable drones)

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Jerghul
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-01-13 15:20:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jerghul
Concept

A cloaked scram/gun drone (standarized. Cannot be fitted. This is important)
A cloaked scram/cyno drone (standarized. Cannot be fitted. This is important)

Gate capable. Pilot that has deployed these remote controlled (as opposed to automated) may toggle between his ship and each drone to fly each drone as if it were a ship (Perhaps hotseat only)

Reasons

**Gives limited multiboxing capability without hardware and multiple account requirements**[/b]

*A conceptual bridge to EvE Valkyrie for synergy effects

*Spin-off potential to Carriers (reship to carrier drone and put 1/10 under a pilots control for something to do after being primaried)

*Low cost pvp alternative for fixed piece battles

*Kill mark generator (there are cheaper ways to abuse the killmark system)

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The multiboxing capability being the true egalitarian and player catering reason (it is a bit ridiculous the hoops people need to jump through to multibox effectively). The rest is just nice spin-off fluff.

Is there abuse potential that is not already inherently part of the game?

Blocked list: Teckos, Sonya, Wander, Baltec1

Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#2 - 2016-01-13 16:56:27 UTC
RE: Valkyrie.

--Gadget

Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist

Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."

Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2016-01-13 17:30:52 UTC
So you want a partially delayed 60km (drone control range) point/scram or a remote cyno for your own account?
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#4 - 2016-01-13 17:32:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Hopelesshobo
So what you are asking for are remote controlled frigates.

Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.

Jerghul
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2016-01-13 17:55:09 UTC
Frosty
The 2nd one. Though in two fixed incarnations (scram+gun OR scram+cyno).

Hobbo
Something less than remote controlled frigates. Its important that they are completely standardised (you cannot fit them with modules) and significantly smaller than frigates.

But conceptually you have grasped the idea.

Blocked list: Teckos, Sonya, Wander, Baltec1

Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2016-01-13 18:15:09 UTC
[quote=Jerghul]

Something less than remote controlled frigates. Its important that they are completely standardised (you cannot fit them with modules) and significantly smaller than frigates.

/quote]

That's kind of irrelevant since they will either have the required tool to make combat or people won't use them. At the end of the day, we already have cheap small ship to do exactly what your remote units would do.
Jerghul
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-01-13 18:30:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Jerghul
Frosty
The standarized/unchangable, less than frigate fitting and capability is important as a trade-off for being vastly more accessible and user friendly than current multiboxing, multiple account alternatives.

The niche it fills allows for limited multiboxing capability without multiple accounts and additional hardware.

Blocked list: Teckos, Sonya, Wander, Baltec1

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#8 - 2016-01-13 19:08:09 UTC
Death to multi-boxing tbqfh
Jerghul
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2016-01-13 19:12:53 UTC
Shah
Its more an egalitarian approach that allows limited multi-boxing capability to a much greater group of EvE players.

Multiboxing is likely here to stay, so might as well make it easily accessible in a more limited form for the general population.

Blocked list: Teckos, Sonya, Wander, Baltec1

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#10 - 2016-01-13 20:13:29 UTC
Alternatively... perhaps you can accept that multiboxing, while allowed, was never intended and not supported by CCP.
You are right in that it is a reality for many (for whatever reason)... but that doesn't mean we should accept it and design the game so that everyone can do it.

All that does it further enhance those who are already using multiple accounts (they will be able to do more) and force everyone else to behave the same way the multi account users were before (because you either use the drones or you are at a greater disadvantage).

Thankfully, the DEVs seem to get this. Looking at the various mechanics changes that have been happening over the months and year, it seems like the DEVs are designing content that organically discourages multi-boxing (by being complicated and unpredictable).

There should always be a greater push to get players to interact with each other for better or worse. All this idea is create a "layer" by which players can either avoid each other.
Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
#11 - 2016-01-13 20:38:23 UTC
Jerghul wrote:
**Gives limited multiboxing capability without hardware and multiple account requirements**


Why is this needed, beyond "I want the benefits of two accounts without having to shell out the cash?"

(and I say this as someone who only has one account)
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2016-01-13 21:51:20 UTC
Jerghul wrote:
Shah
Its more an egalitarian approach that allows limited multi-boxing capability to a much greater group of EvE players.

Multiboxing is likely here to stay, so might as well make it easily accessible in a more limited form for the general population.


The guy who multi box now will muti box with this and keep his edge. If he multi boxed 10 cleints, he will now have 50 controllable drones.
Jerghul
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2016-01-13 22:34:01 UTC
Shah
Multiboxing does not decrease player interaction, it enhances and generates more of it by increasing the interaction surface where players can connect and gives players more staying power when interacting in group activities (Your Sunday fleet does not end if you are podded if you are multiboxing, so you can volunteer for more dangerous roles and stay part of the group until you are all gloriously whelped in an impressive collective comradely display ).

There are lone wolves of course. But they are lone wolves now. If anything, they might use a remote controlled drone for high-sec duels and low investment duels (both isk and know how. Drone duels with fixed fits do not require any expertise to assure a level playing field. You know the other guy has the same thing you do if those are the terms. May the best pilot win).

Isaac
Its not really about the multiple account isk requirement (yes, I said isk), though that is one barrier. It also has hardware requirements that are a bit unfortunate. Essentially though, it is just one of those little things that should be made more accessible as a matter of solid game design: "one click to achieve a result is better than 14 clicks to achieve the result" The current multiboxing system is cumbersome and inaccessible.

Frosty
Its not about stealing anyone's edge. If he is multiboxing with 10 clients and pilots in designer ships, then let him do that much more efficiently than a player using limited functionality drones to achieve a limited form of multi-boxing.

Blocked list: Teckos, Sonya, Wander, Baltec1

Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
#14 - 2016-01-13 23:08:21 UTC
Jerghul wrote:
Its not really about the multiple account isk requirement (yes, I said isk), though that is one barrier. It also has hardware requirements that are a bit unfortunate. Essentially though, it is just one of those little things that should be made more accessible as a matter of solid game design: "one click to achieve a result is better than 14 clicks to achieve the result" The current multiboxing system is cumbersome and inaccessible.


There are no ISK requirements to run multiple accounts.

EVE is a game that can run on a hamster powered typewriter. I was running it on an 5 year old POS laptop for a few months and it did fine. If you can't afford the $400 to buy a computer capable of running it, you have bigger problems than not duel boxing a video game, and should spend less time here, and more time working IRL.

But thank you for confirming this is purely nothing but

"I want the benefits of two accounts without having to shell out the cash"
Jerghul
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2016-01-13 23:41:42 UTC
Isaac
I am sure there are special snowflakes that don't plex (as in pay isk for game time/train time tokens) their multiple accounts. But that would be a bit sub-optimal of them given current trends in game isk accumulation. And sub-optimal choices are a burden those players have to carry on their own shoulders.

My motives are simply to make limited multiboxing more accessible to a larger group of players in line with good game design standards.

The current system is cumbersome and awkward.

Thank you otherwise for your contribution, remembering that people usually do not go through life with cunning plots, scheming plans, and ulterior motives.

Blocked list: Teckos, Sonya, Wander, Baltec1

elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#16 - 2016-01-13 23:54:06 UTC
So it is said. I herby demand a visible always on modification of all multiboxers in client. Make them yellow or pink for all I care, just make them visible for everyone.

You want your 9205787805679456 accounts? You can't your invisible "superiority" army anymore - the END.

Your main is now and until the end of time linked and always visible for everyone else to see like a bright beacon in the darkness. Deal with it.

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

Aura sound-clips: Aura forever

Jerghul
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2016-01-14 00:00:43 UTC
Elit
heh, actually, what I want is for newer players with a single account to be able to toggle between the ship they are in, and a couple combat drones they control remotely, but fly as if they were ships (sans the pod bit). A limited, but easily accessable multibot experience without all the cumbersome awkwardness.

The idea is very egalitarian :-).

Blocked list: Teckos, Sonya, Wander, Baltec1

Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
#18 - 2016-01-14 00:08:53 UTC
Jerghul wrote:
Isaac
I am sure there are special snowflakes that don't plex (as in pay isk for game time/train time tokens) their multiple accounts. But that would be a bit sub-optimal of them given current trends in game isk accumulation. And sub-optimal choices are a burden those players have to carry on their own shoulders.

My motives are simply to make limited multiboxing more accessible to a larger group of players in line with good game design standards.

The current system is cumbersome and awkward.

Thank you otherwise for your contribution, remembering that people usually do not go through life with cunning plots, scheming plans, and ulterior motives.


um...what? The vast majority of players don't plex their accounts. You carrying the ridiculous burden of plexing account on your shoulders is yours to deal with. Stop whining. Given you can easily earn the $13/mo for a subscription in under an hour IRL, and it takes longer than an hour to earn 1.2 bil ISK doing literally anything in game, anyone 'carrying a burden' of plexing an account flat out doesn't understand the value of time, and is wasting hours of their life grinding for ISK.

Spend an hour a week doing random work for someone IRL and you will have the cash you need to pay for four accounts. Good lord almighty! The burden of the grind is gone!

But I digress, your motives are very clear.

"I want the benefits of two accounts without having to shell out the cash" (In whatever form that cash might be)

It is becoming clear now what you want, after reading through a bit of your posting history. You want to be able to earn ISK risk free in null (I read some of the AFK cloaking thread you're posting in, I need to grab some popcorn and watch that one, it's hilarious) and you want to be able to multibox for cheaper. Basically you want to be some l33t multiboxer in very dangerous space without the risk that comes with it, and without the cost of multiple accounts that comes with it.

No.
Jerghul
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2016-01-14 00:22:40 UTC
Isaac
You have the right to your opinion within the limits of forum rules.

Thank you for you contribution.

Blocked list: Teckos, Sonya, Wander, Baltec1

Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
#20 - 2016-01-14 04:37:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Isaac Armer
Jerghul wrote:
Isaac
You have the right to your opinion within the limits of forum rules.

Thank you for you contribution.


So...no response then? Interesting. That definitely contributes a lot.

Is this what happens when someone hits the nail on the head?
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