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The downfall of Minmatar Militia
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Altaen
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#101 - 2016-01-14 19:54:35 UTC
Kalaratiri wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Because we did more for the TLF outside of it than inside of it.


Like what? What lasting good have you had on the TLF?



I can confirm that Anslo has a proven track record of attracting and coordinating otherwise uninvolved alliances to fight on behalf of the Minmatar Militia. While there have been many campaigns by the Amarr to "Burn Huola," Anslo deserves a lot of the credit for victory in I believe at least two of these.

He has his flaws, but from time to time his excessive enthusiasm has been directed to great effect.

That said, if I am gathering the themes of the discussion, there are many present that do not think non-loyal capsuleers should be a part of these conflicts, regardless of the side they pick. Sounds highly irresponsible and pitifully idealistic to me.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#102 - 2016-01-14 19:59:26 UTC
You do seem to misunderstand, Altaen. There's a difference between non-loyalists and outright enemies.
Altaen
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#103 - 2016-01-14 20:34:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Altaen
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
You do seem to misunderstand, Altaen. There's a difference between non-loyalists and outright enemies.


I think the issue then, as Kala said, is lack of leadership. It's hard to call anyone an enemy when they shoot exactly what you tell them to.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#104 - 2016-01-14 21:01:06 UTC
I'd find it rather easy to call someone an enemy when they have a track record of fighting for the Empire, Sansha and Sani Sabik. This should not be such a controversial stance, really. What is it about capsuleerdom and suddenly having no sense of consequences for ones choices and actions?

I pay for mine and face the consequences of what I've done and will most assuredly do in the future, but it seems this is somehow a notion that should be completely ignored in favor of adding a few more ships to a warzone, as if there's somehow a dearth of psychopaths in eggs out there.
Altaen
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#105 - 2016-01-14 21:31:34 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
I'd find it rather easy to call someone an enemy when they have a track record of fighting for the Empire, Sansha and Sani Sabik. This should not be such a controversial stance, really. What is it about capsuleerdom and suddenly having no sense of consequences for ones choices and actions?

I pay for mine and face the consequences of what I've done and will most assuredly do in the future, but it seems this is somehow a notion that should be completely ignored in favor of adding a few more ships to a warzone, as if there's somehow a dearth of psychopaths in eggs out there.


The value of strong leadership is in minimizing the impact of the beliefs, politics, and actions of individuals in favor of focusing their efforts to promote the beliefs, politics, and actions of the leader.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#106 - 2016-01-14 21:35:21 UTC
That much is to a degree true, of course. I won't pretend there's not a distinct lack of any leadership whatsoever in the TLF, but that's been the case for a lot longer than I've flown in it. I have no doubt I have the strength to lead, but I don't have the prerequisite patience with fools nor dishonesty required to cajole the fragile egos of necessary middle-managers.

Of course, it'd seem any other potential strong leader have pretty much the same situation facing them.
Maria Daphiti
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#107 - 2016-01-14 21:37:31 UTC
Keep Bickering! :)
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#108 - 2016-01-14 22:18:58 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
That much is to a degree true, of course. I won't pretend there's not a distinct lack of any leadership whatsoever in the TLF, but that's been the case for a lot longer than I've flown in it.


Not actually true. How quickly people forget the days of mighty Iron Oxide., ferocious Late Night, and their many stalwart allies.

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Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#109 - 2016-01-14 22:23:41 UTC
Oh I'm not forgetting them. I'm just pointing out that the leadership bit dwindled before I even joined the TLF. Their rightfully well earned accolades predate that though.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2016-01-15 01:58:20 UTC
Kalaratiri wrote:
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
That much is to a degree true, of course. I won't pretend there's not a distinct lack of any leadership whatsoever in the TLF, but that's been the case for a lot longer than I've flown in it.


Not actually true. How quickly people forget the days of mighty Iron Oxide., ferocious Late Night, and their many stalwart allies.


Speaking of which, is Iron Oxide still operating these days? I recalled that they used to be everywhere in Eszur.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#111 - 2016-01-15 02:05:17 UTC
The name may exist, but the soul is dead.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#112 - 2016-01-15 02:13:08 UTC
Thought they were just doing the whole pirate thing now...
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#113 - 2016-01-15 02:22:51 UTC
Huh. Well, that's...tragic.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#114 - 2016-01-15 05:27:23 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
That much is to a degree true, of course. I won't pretend there's not a distinct lack of any leadership whatsoever in the TLF, but that's been the case for a lot longer than I've flown in it. I have no doubt I have the strength to lead, but I don't have the prerequisite patience with fools nor dishonesty required to cajole the fragile egos of necessary middle-managers.

Of course, it'd seem any other potential strong leader have pretty much the same situation facing them.


Take your eyes from these forums and gaze out the window of your starship. May the cosmos reflect your gaze. Underappreciating is the pride of fools.


Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#115 - 2016-01-15 10:33:03 UTC
Altaen wrote:
Kalaratiri wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Because we did more for the TLF outside of it than inside of it.


Like what? What lasting good have you had on the TLF?



I can confirm that Anslo has a proven track record of attracting and coordinating otherwise uninvolved alliances to fight on behalf of the Minmatar Militia. While there have been many campaigns by the Amarr to "Burn Huola," Anslo deserves a lot of the credit for victory in I believe at least two of these.

He has his flaws, but from time to time his excessive enthusiasm has been directed to great effect.

That said, if I am gathering the themes of the discussion, there are many present that do not think non-loyal capsuleers should be a part of these conflicts, regardless of the side they pick. Sounds highly irresponsible and pitifully idealistic to me.

Well, Huola have been burned and I brought my own torch to help with it. Pity I couldn't help with the hub itself.
Derpslo ran just like all other runmatars. And I heard he ran even faster than them.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#116 - 2016-01-15 11:20:57 UTC
When Huola fell, we lived in Taff as part of the Blacklist, there was no one of consequence there to defend it. Scope Works left to pursue other things. Say what you will but when it was ScopeMatar that system never fell, and if anyone wants to strut about claming victory over a mostly Undefended system then I don't even know what to say
Kalo Askold
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#117 - 2016-01-17 09:35:42 UTC
Just came on to say the null refugees keep losing fights in rou and null has yielded cargo. Gloom and doom is still happening.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#118 - 2016-01-17 11:22:16 UTC
Maria Daphiti wrote:
Keep Bickering! :)

Bick bick!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#119 - 2016-01-17 13:42:59 UTC
Well, it should come as no surprise there's "gloom and doom" when Val and her friends take fleets to fight GalMil alongside her Pyre allies. I just wish it was a surprise, really.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#120 - 2016-01-17 13:50:58 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Well, it should come as no surprise there's "gloom and doom" when Val and her friends take fleets to fight GalMil alongside her Pyre allies. I just wish it was a surprise, really.

When they do that? Only thing I can think of was when they deployed to battle sansha in combined ops.