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Moon mining - does it all add up if you are into making ISK
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Server Cookie
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-01-12 21:53:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Server Cookie
Hello everyone,

Been looking at doing moon mining and trying to find relevant information, i know how to set it up and
all that stuff. But the question that seems to be difficulto to the find the answer for is :

1: What kind of minerals do you have to find on a moon, to even have a chance of making some ISK and cover the
fuel cost. Those fuel Blocks can get very expensive very fast.

For a small controll Tower that eats 10 Blocks pr day...that around 310 Blocks for the entire month....the the large one
cost aroun 40 Blocks pr day i believe.


So before i start dishing out ISK for the Controll Tower and all that follows, some pointers would be great.
Found some old articles on the web here and there, but those are 3 years old and might not be so relevant now.

Hope to get some Insight from someone who is allready doing moon mining solor :)
I am looking for moon ins the 0.5 and 0.4 Security status systems.....or should i just join a null sec corp
and find a system somewere deep in nullsec.


Thanks

Regards
Servercookie
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2 - 2016-01-12 22:39:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
I'd suggest you start here:

https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/reactions/

That shows the costs and income to buy all the raw materials and then conduct the reactions.

It doesn't include the POS costs, but you can see from there what sort of ISK you can make monthly from different reactions.

Once you identify what reactions to aim for, then eve-moons provides a good way to find relevant moons to setup:

http://eve-moons.com/

By mining the moon goo, you can reduce the costs and therefore increase your proft.

Then, once you know which moon and what reactions (which will also help determine setup), a POS planner will help you design something efficient without wasting ISK:

http://eve.1019.net/pos/

All the best with it. It's kind of a dark art for most, but once you discover what works for you, it's a good source of income.

Edit: You won't be using a small to run reaction. You can mine goo, but they don't have the ability to run reactors. You'll most likely end up with multiple POSs once you get going and reactions will be running in a Large POS tower, so your fuel costs will be significant, but are easily offset if you are making the right things.

Edit 2: You can't mine moons in 0.5 or 0.4 sec systems. It needs to be <0.4 security status (the Wiki says different, so now I'm not sure that is a restriction anymore). Lowsec or NPC nullsec is your best option if solo and at most you might be lucky to pick up a Cadmium moon somewhere after a while. More likely you'll be looking at something of lower value and then value addingh through reactions. Moons that allow you to mine more than one resource are a good option.
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Zero Zentharis
#3 - 2016-01-13 00:34:46 UTC
Another thing is that small racial tower uses 10 blocks per hour, not per day. Thus adding up to 7200 blocks per 30 days.
Since I am assuming that you want to sell your mined moongoo directly to the market, I would suggest looking for anything of R16 rarity (like Cadmium, as pointed out above)
Mad Vemane
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2016-01-13 00:48:42 UTC
http://eve-marketdata.com/mining.php?step=Moon

you make 100 unit / hour
Small tower is 10 fuel block / hour

Depending on the price you pay your block, scandium and up would make you some profit. Assuming no ones pops your pos
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#5 - 2016-01-13 03:44:48 UTC
EVE IPH (Link in Signature) has a calculations tab for reactions as well. http://i.imgur.com/8X8wyeL.jpg

All depends though what you are mining. It's only available in null/low (.3 or lower) so you need protection.

It's not a passive income source really. I think most alliances mine them and use the pos for other things as well. I did reactions for a bit and it even got too tedious to keep shipping materials in and out.

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Capsups
Atomic Mangocorp
#6 - 2016-01-13 08:14:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Capsups
Scipio Artelius wrote:

Edit 2: You can't mine moons in 0.5 or 0.4 sec systems. It needs to be <0.4 security status (the Wiki says different, so now I'm not sure that is a restriction anymore).


Zifrian wrote:

All depends though what you are mining. It's only available in null/low (.3 or lower) so you need protection.


Both of you are from before Crius were released, so I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you didn't read the Crius changelogs carefully enough (even though I'd expect Zifrian to have <3).
Crius changed that restriction such that 0.4 systems were INCLUSIVE in the moon miner / reactor restriction as can be seen confirmed here.
Server Cookie
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2016-01-13 08:30:20 UTC
That was some really good information Scipio, and thanks for taking the time to write it :)
And a huge thanks to the rest of the participents, all the info i can get help.

Off i go to start my "Maybe" POS empire lol

Regards
ServerCookie
Hochopepa
Creative Research and Production Services
#8 - 2016-01-13 16:34:23 UTC
I'd do a hell of a lot more research first. Right now, a large POS can cost you upwards of 600mil a month to run.

Additionally, you need to find the right moons with the right materials to create the right reactions to make anything off of it. You will find that, many, if not most, good moons with highly needed and profitable materials, may well already be taken by corps and alliances. So, you may be stuck with crap moons. If you are in an alliance, you will need to check with your leadership and find out what the alliance's policy is regard POS allocations.


Then you have transport costs for materials to market.

THEN you have to take into consideration that, POS will be going away in the near future and replaced by far more expensive citadels.
Server Cookie
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2016-01-13 21:36:50 UTC
You are right Hochopea, after Reading on some of the links i got from the previouse posters it looks like its not realyl Worth
the time and effort unless Your mining on a really good moon.

Perhaps i should stick to marked trading, making around 25million pr day....and from what i have seen i dont think moon mining will beat that.

Well, back to the drawing table and find some other way to make more ISK :)
Untill then ill just until i can get a industrial freigher and perhaps do region to region trading
will making passive Income from station trading in Jita.

^^
Damjan Fox
Fox Industries and Exploration
#10 - 2016-01-14 12:16:54 UTC
Quote:
Perhaps i should stick to marked trading, making around 25million pr day

25 mil per day is really good for a character only 2 weeks old.

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