Intergalactic Summit

Dear. Ms. Priano,

We certainly are in agreement. That the CEP was in deed using the term 'renegade' when addressing Tibus Heth after his warrant had been confirmed is propably the iconic example of how drastically things derailed during the final part of Heth's reign. It is, however, only one perspective and I think we are advised to accept that the firm stance of the Chief Executive Panel and the Caldari Business Tribunal is only one sentiment among many. While it seems a necessary one to me, in order to correct Tibus Heth's wrongdoings, I can understand that his deeds are also a matter of passion, hope, disappointment and emotions for many, not only a matter of reason or jurisprudence.

Regarding the accusations of lies, I can only express my disappointment, as I did before. And I am strongly convinced that the issue between a respected Caldari Officer and a honorable CEO can be settled without one side degrading the other. But it will not and should not happen in public. Those things are not to be solved on stage. If I can somehow support the settlement of this dispute, I offer my limited possibilites. Otherwise, as someone who feels deep respect for members of the Caldari armed forces and is subordinate to honorable Ms. Priano's chair, I won't say any more.

Respectfully yours,

Haria Haritimado

As part of TISHU, I can say I have never flown with anyone from Ms. Priano's organization nor have there ever been any discussion of it in any way shape or form. If they're our pets they certainly aren't friendly to their master.

The Beacons are lit. Gondor calls for aid!

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

This has been a post by a random Tishu **** poster because ur gay pwnd.

What does this mean?

Historical figures are real people, too, and like the ore that was refined to form the metal of the monuments to raise to them, they too contain waste and less admirable moments.

It is of no matter.

Their mettle has been forged in the crucible of their deeds. They serve now as reminders of the best we can be and we celebrate the shining figures we've made of them and that's fine, so long as we never entirely forget the rest of them too.

I prefer to read the IGS than to post on it, if I have to have any exposure to this place at all. Partly because of you.

You and your posting provide, at best, comic relief that often results in a sore nose or face, and at worst, a stark reminder that there really isn't such a thing as a truly evil person, but only those who do bad things according to their perception of the "best interests" of others.

Heth may have done some good for the State in his early days. No-one here is denying that.

But Heth's actions toward the end of his time in power were certainly anything but good. Having his goons open fire on employees of Kaalakiota or Ishukone - citizens of the State - simply for exercising their rights to freedom of speech. (And yes, freedom of speech is a thing we have in the State.) Ordering a Navy Admiral to fire a Titan's superweapon on not just an inhabited planet, but Home, then lying about why she took the tea afterward. These are not the Caldari way. Certainly not the Caldari way that I was raised to respect and follow.

The Chief Executive Panel denounced him in June of YC115, calling him “the leader of a terrorist insurgency against the Caldari State.” Kaalakiota, his own corporation, declared him an outlaw and removed him from executive office according to policies that have existed for longer than you've drawn breath. A guri. And yet, despite this coming from the true leadership of the State, and his own corporation, people like you continued to publicly support him, and still do to this day.

It is a tired, broken record that you play on this forum and in other venues. Sometimes, it's funny. And sometimes, it's just sad and disappointing. Depressing, even.

No-one really denies your skill in space, either. Most just think you'd be better served by keeping your mouth shut and fingers away from a text-input device, and focusing on that in stead.. It reflects far more poorly on you than it does on anyone else.

Regarding bricks... you would do well to teach yourself about the concept of metaphor. Makoto's post - even while largely consisting of links to news articles - was the "brick" because it very neatly derails your usual arguments about how much of a "hero" Heth is. No additional points needed to be provided. As for it being unprovoked, you would do well to learn that one needs not directly name or target someone else in order for them to be provoked: You constantly attack and insult people I have had long-standing professional and diplomatic relationships with. I don't particularly care for it, especially when your attacks and insults are inaccurate or even outright lies. And in the same breath as saying you don't call people who disagree with you Gallentean bootlickers, you accuse me of being a Gallentean troll? Give me a break. I don't work for the Federation, and never have: the majority of my time as a capsuleer has either been with Caldari or Amarr-affiliated entities, and the rest of that time with those unaffiliated the Big Four.

Gordian knot, indeed.

In addition, I've got far better things to do than duel you for the sake of playing into your ridiculous bloodlust fantasies.

Like shooting Drifters.

The cautionary tale is as important as the paragon. Boldness must be celebrated, but not when it becomes brashness; else why do we pierce the veil?

But, as usual, we agree on this matter, by and large.

On that note, have we actually had any leaders in our nations that haven't constituted a cautionary tale in our capsuleer generation? Ray of Matar, the blind man, Roden, Heth, Jammie and Karsoth etc. It seems we've largely had rather bad luck when it comes to our governments the last decade or so. All of us.

It's of course rather difficult to get any super-human leaders to appear in a cluster populated entirely by normal humans and capsuleers, but they have all seemed to be a little less than stellar. We can do better, I think.

Tibus Heth was the best of all the leaders ever lived!
Glory to the State!
Glory to Heroes!

Shakor, Heth, Jamyl and Karsoth etc are all worthy of the 'great leaders' moniker too. Midular was not particularly different from them in that she ****** up rather badly just like they did. I'll grant you that in her case it's a matter of opinion but it's not exactly a rare one.