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Tibus Heth. Great Caldari Hero ? Or, Greatest Caldari Hero ?

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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#1 - 2016-01-12 19:11:32 UTC
Everyone is probably familiar to some extent, with the Great Caldari Hero Tibus Heth.

However, the question has to be asked.

Is Tibus Heth a great hero of the State ? Or the greatest hero of the State ?

Let us consider the evidence.

From a lowly background, Tibus Heth, through a process of self-improvement, moved up the corporate ladder, winning the "Employee of the Month" award in the process.
Which is in the finest traditions of the Caldari culture.

During the Piak Incident, when Caldari Constructions employees rioted against inefficient business practices, Tibus Heth came to the attention of the interstellar community, by heroically rescuing a wounded co-worker, which again, is in the finest traditions of the Caldari culture.

Following the Malkalen Outrage, when treacherous Gallente Navy units attacked innocent Caldari civilians on the Ishukone station, Tibus Heth, through skilful rhetoric, became in effect, a dictator of the Caldari State, and used that position to begin social reforms, to increase efficiency.

Again, increasing efficiency is in the finest traditions of the Caldari culture.

Tibus Heth also achieved something that was previously thought improbable - the recovery of Caldari Prime, the ancestral home of the Caldari, from the illegally occupying Gallente, who had seized it in an act of infamous treachery, during the First War of Gallente Aggression Against The Caldari People, which was when the Caldari seceded from the oppressive Federation.

Recovering Caldari Prime is, again, in the finest traditions of the Caldari.

Tibus Heth also achieved brilliant political manoeuvrings in territory formerly held by the Gallente, such as Placid, which was heroically captured by the State Protectorate, during the Second War of Gallente Aggression Against The Caldari People, or, as the Gallente ludicrously call it, "the Empyrean Wars". These political manoeuvrings led to the downfall of the then Gallente President, the infamous war criminal Souro Foiritan, whose xenophobic sentiments were behind the Second War of Gallente Aggression, of which the Malkalen Outrage was merely the opening move.

Causing the downfall of Gallente politicians, is of course, in the finest traditions of the Caldari.

So, as we can clearly see, many of Tibus Heth's actions were in the finest traditions of the Caldari people.

So, great hero, or greatest hero ?

It is clear, that there is a substantial case for Tibus Heth being the Greatest Caldari Hero.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#2 - 2016-01-12 19:18:04 UTC
I think you made Diana Kim's day.....
morion
Lighting Build
#3 - 2016-01-12 19:31:00 UTC  |  Edited by: morion
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Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#4 - 2016-01-12 19:34:32 UTC
How many ships can a ship toaster toast when a ship toaster ship toasts ships?

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

morion
Lighting Build
#5 - 2016-01-12 19:35:12 UTC  |  Edited by: morion
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#6 - 2016-01-13 03:10:55 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:

Tibus Heth also achieved something that was previously thought improbable - the recovery of Caldari Prime, the ancestral home of the Caldari, from the illegally occupying Gallente, who had seized it in an act of infamous treachery, during the First War of Gallente Aggression Against The Caldari People, which was when the Caldari seceded from the oppressive Federation.

An excellent material and understanding of Caldari culture. Thank you.

Though I'd like to add one small detail, that becomes rather significant in consideration of how great Tibus Heth was as a hero.

During the liberation of Caldari Prime from gallente occupants Tibus Heth himself has descended to the planet and was fighting with regular soldiers just like a regular soldier. Being a megacorporate CEO and de-facto leader of the whole State he wasn't sitting in his cabinet, waiting for results of the operation. He was there, together with all the others loyal Caldari people, risking his life for what was important for all of us.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Kador Ouryon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-01-13 03:21:48 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Valerie Valate wrote:

Tibus Heth also achieved something that was previously thought improbable - the recovery of Caldari Prime, the ancestral home of the Caldari, from the illegally occupying Gallente, who had seized it in an act of infamous treachery, during the First War of Gallente Aggression Against The Caldari People, which was when the Caldari seceded from the oppressive Federation.

An excellent material and understanding of Caldari culture. Thank you.

Though I'd like to add one small detail, that becomes rather significant in consideration of how great Tibus Heth was as a hero.

During the liberation of Caldari Prime from gallente occupants Tibus Heth himself has descended to the planet and was fighting with regular soldiers just like a regular soldier. Being a megacorporate CEO and de-facto leader of the whole State he wasn't sitting in his cabinet, waiting for results of the operation. He was there, together with all the others loyal Caldari people, risking his life for what was important for all of us.


I remember talking to people who were there on the planet when the Shigeru went down, a few old, quirky mercs who operated exclusively for the State during the invasion.

Sadly they didn't get to see him or ask for his autograph.

What fills the soul? Something that guides a lost child back to it's parents arms. Or waves that dye the shores of the heart gold. A blessed breath to nurture life in a land of wheat. Or the path the Sef descend drawn in ash. In the wake of fire.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2016-01-13 03:36:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Morion, what the slaver's bollocks are you on about and how are anything you are talking about relevant to this thread?

Also, if you want to dump the AI and suffer from having your ship take three minutes to target lock anything and a full minute to calculate the firing solution for each of your turrets or launchers or having your drones sit dead in the water on grid, then be my guest.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#9 - 2016-01-13 03:48:11 UTC
Kador Ouryon wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Valerie Valate wrote:

Tibus Heth also achieved something that was previously thought improbable - the recovery of Caldari Prime, the ancestral home of the Caldari, from the illegally occupying Gallente, who had seized it in an act of infamous treachery, during the First War of Gallente Aggression Against The Caldari People, which was when the Caldari seceded from the oppressive Federation.

An excellent material and understanding of Caldari culture. Thank you.

Though I'd like to add one small detail, that becomes rather significant in consideration of how great Tibus Heth was as a hero.

During the liberation of Caldari Prime from gallente occupants Tibus Heth himself has descended to the planet and was fighting with regular soldiers just like a regular soldier. Being a megacorporate CEO and de-facto leader of the whole State he wasn't sitting in his cabinet, waiting for results of the operation. He was there, together with all the others loyal Caldari people, risking his life for what was important for all of us.


I remember talking to people who were there on the planet when the Shigeru went down, a few old, quirky mercs who operated exclusively for the State during the invasion.

Sadly they didn't get to see him or ask for his autograph.

Probably I should send you a history textbook so you could next time distinguish events that happened seven and two years ago. Not sure though they have appeared in history textbooks yet...

Meanwhile I would recommend you to cease commenting on the topics that you lack information about. I don't think your superiors will be happy to know you are disgracing your corporation in such a way.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Morgan Wulver
SAYR Reserve Guard
SAYR Galactic
#10 - 2016-01-13 18:57:40 UTC
Is this satire? Because I really want to like this post but I'm sure that it's satire. I mean sure, he turned Haatakan into his personal mind-broke life-doll for a few months, but overall it was the IDEA of Tibus that mattered. Right? Right?

Kirjuun! Uakan! Teknikiara! Kanpai kameitsamuu! Ra ra ra!

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#11 - 2016-01-13 19:03:41 UTC
There are, however, the issues like Heth's nearly bankrupting KK, his forces downing a freighter of KK employees protesting against Heth's failure to complete institution of meritocratic reforms as he had promised, and that whole 'ordering the destruction of the Caldari homeworld' thing.

I'd say it's fair to say that Heth's early rise was heroic, laudable, and brought glory to the State. His fall was tragic, and wholy his own doing.

He is, ultimately, a tragic figure, I'd say.

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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#12 - 2016-01-13 19:16:30 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
He is, ultimately, a tragic figure, I'd say.


So, you side with "Great Caldari Hero", rather than "Greatest Caldari Hero" ?

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#13 - 2016-01-13 19:18:02 UTC
I would say, 'Caldari cautionary tale,' because I usually like plan C.

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Yarosara Ruil
#14 - 2016-01-13 19:42:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Yarosara Ruil
Heroes that live long enough tend to become villains themselves, and there was no greater hero than Admiral Tovil-Toba, who gave his life to free the State from Gallente oppression. I've memorized all his tactics in the war and pratice them with small-scale models every week. The man was a genius in battle.

Tibus Heth on the other hand had the unfortunate fate of trying to achieve too much with the litle time he had left, yet lived long enough to be considered a villain. Both tragic and ironic.
Kador Ouryon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2016-01-13 22:23:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Kador Ouryon
Diana Kim wrote:

Probably I should send you a history textbook so you could next time distinguish events that happened seven and two years ago. Not sure though they have appeared in history textbooks yet...

Meanwhile I would recommend you to cease commenting on the topics that you lack information about. I don't think your superiors will be happy to know you are disgracing your corporation in such a way.


I'll certainly apologise for the very superficial mistake of misinterpreting which of the two conflicts you were referring to however I won't tolerate your criticism my service to and the service of the Classiarii.

Even if you are a mutual friend of one of my brothers in arms, Templares Vadam, we will be having words Commander Kim to resolve this matter to a mutually agreeable solution.

What fills the soul? Something that guides a lost child back to it's parents arms. Or waves that dye the shores of the heart gold. A blessed breath to nurture life in a land of wheat. Or the path the Sef descend drawn in ash. In the wake of fire.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#16 - 2016-01-13 22:44:17 UTC
Caldari Hero with a tragic fall, I'd say.

Sobaseki, Tovil-Toba, Yanala and Gariushi are greater Caldari heroes, in my opinion.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#17 - 2016-01-13 23:01:07 UTC
Tovil-Toba is a name that's spoken with reverence among my people and clan. An example of a man who did what had to be done for his people.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#18 - 2016-01-13 23:13:47 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Tovil-Toba is a name that's spoken with reverence among my people and clan. An example of a man who did what had to be done for his people.


Getting told that tale is one of my earliest memories as a child. I was once selected to give the order "Non-essential personnel to the lifeboats. Take the ship down into the atmosphere." during the recitation and it was the highlight of my year. I remember buzzing with pride that I'd been picked.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Haria Haritimado
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#19 - 2016-01-14 09:37:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Haria Haritimado
Dear Pilots,

Over and over again, Tibus Heth becomes object to lively and dedicated discussions (and rhetorical disguises, it seems). What still affects me is that he was, in his time, propably riding the waves of Caldari history like no one else. In some way he seems to me like he had to bear the fate of being the embodiment of a certain world reason of that time. I agree with others above, this makes him a tragic figure. And there lies greatness within that, which differs from just being a hero. He's a source of harsh criticism and corporate pride. He demands us to quarrel and self-reflect.

The Great or Greatest is a nice catchphrase. I would like to bend the topic just a little bit and call him a great figure of Caldari history.

Sincerely,

Haria Haritimado
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#20 - 2016-01-14 10:29:26 UTC
Kador Ouryon wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

Probably I should send you a history textbook so you could next time distinguish events that happened seven and two years ago. Not sure though they have appeared in history textbooks yet...

Meanwhile I would recommend you to cease commenting on the topics that you lack information about. I don't think your superiors will be happy to know you are disgracing your corporation in such a way.


I'll certainly apologise for the very superficial mistake of misinterpreting which of the two conflicts you were referring to however I won't tolerate your criticism my service to and the service of the Classiarii.

Even if you are a mutual friend of one of my brothers in arms, Templares Vadam, we will be having words Commander Kim to resolve this matter to a mutually agreeable solution.

Will look forward to it.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

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