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New dev blog: Important Information Regarding the Neural Remap Gift

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Slighet
Siempre Muerto
#41 - 2011-12-14 16:37:42 UTC
CCP Pleognost & CCP Ronin, thanks for the quick reply and putting up with all our stupid questions ;)
Adrenalinemax
Lap Dancers
Brothers of Tangra
#42 - 2011-12-14 16:48:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Adrenalinemax
If you have an account with 3 characters:

One has 95,000,000 skill points and 3 remaps and charisma of 15, so remaps will NEVER ever happen on that toon, training queue stopped

Second has 12,000,000 SP and is training to become a nice alt, and could really use the remap, training queue stopped

Third is training to become a cyno alt real quick, but won't end until Feb, but doesn't want or need the remap, training queue active


Which toon will get it, or do I get to choose? i.e. if I login with toon one, two or three, is that the one that will get the remap when I claim it??
CCP Pleognost
C C P
C C P Alliance
#43 - 2011-12-14 16:53:50 UTC
Clolo wrote:
CCP Pleognost I have a few questions:

1. Will the timer on a "normal" remap(1 year) continue to go if you reach your 1 year time and get a remap? For instance if my EVEMon plan has me skilling up for 2 years before I remap, will after that time I have 2 remaps or just 1?

2. This character has 1 remap available which was given from CCP because of something that went wrong (extended downtime maybe?). If I choose the free remap as my gift, I should have 2 bonus remaps on this character, will my 1 year timer start ticking?

3. Similar to number 2, in the past how do I know which remap got used? I remapped this character ~ a year ago but I'm not sure if I used my normal yearly remap or my bonus remap from CCP. Does this mean that once the new code goes into effect I have to wait for a year after using all my remaps? Since previously there wasn't a distinction between normal and bonus remaps, how will you classify existing remaps on peoples accounts?

Thanks for answering a lot of the questions I had in the previous posts.


Sure. To answer (1), you will not receive additional timed remaps if you allow additional years to pass between remaps. Once the timer expires, it does not "count up" to give you more remaps.

This is, unfortunately, a limitation of the system's original architecture. We can't fix that without making a bigger change to how the neural remapping system works, and we couldn't confidently do that in the short time-frame between now and when the changes had to go live in order for you all to enjoy a neurally-remapped Christmas.

For (2), you will receive a second remap as a gift in your case.

The current system has no way of telling whether you used a bonus remap or a timed remap, and that's the core issue that we're fixing with the new system. The old system would reset your timer every time you remapped, regardless of whether it was a bonus remap or a timed remap.

To answer the timer part of question (2) and (3), existing characters' timers will not change. For example, if you used a bonus or normal remap on the 1st of November, 2011, and you select a neural remap as your Christmas gift, you will be able to remap normally on the 1st of November, 2012. If you decide to use your shiny new bonus remap before the 1st of November, 2012, your timer will be unaffected and you will still be able to remap normally on that date.

Unfortunately, the current UI obfuscates the details of which types of remaps you have in certain cases. If you open up the character sheet, you will see something like this with the current system:

If you have 2 or more bonus remaps, then the UI will say something like "Neural Remap Available: 2 remaps" (or 3, or 4, etc.)

If you have 1 bonus remap, the UI will say "Neural Remap Available: Now".

If you have 0 bonus remaps available, and your remapping timer has expired, the UI will also say "Neural Remap Available: Now".

If you have 0 bonus remaps available and your timer has not yet expired, then it will show the date at which the timer will expire.

We're fixing this! The new UI, which will be included in the code update, displays both your timer and your number of bonus remaps (if any). Here's a little screenshot I just snapped.

In this screenshot, my testing character has remapped today but still has one bonus remap available. You will always see "Neural Remap Available:" followed by the date at which your next timed remap becomes available. If that date has passed, then you will see the word "Now" instead of the date.

If you have one or more bonus remaps, you will see "Bonus Remaps Available:" and the number of remaps. If you have no bonus remaps at all, then that text simply will not appear.

Hopefully the new UI is a lot clearer!
Tasha Ashton
Tactical Command Insurgence and Reconnaissance
#44 - 2011-12-14 16:54:07 UTC
CCP Pleognost wrote:
Zedia Zhane wrote:
Do the bonus remaps ever expire?


If I have a character with 2 regular remaps, and acquire a bonus remap, is it possible to choose to use a regular remap and reset my timer immediately? Or would I have to use the second regular remap before the timer is reset? Obviously there are some situations in which it would be advantageous to reset the timer early. But it might be a simpler implementation to convert extra regular remaps into bonus remaps so that each character can have a maximum of one regular remap at a time.


If you take the neural remapping Christmas gift, then you can use that bonus remap to remap at any time between when you receive the gift and the 1st of December, 2012. If you do so, then you will still be able to remap your attributes normally on the 1st of December, 2012. If you decide to wait until past the 1st of December, 2012 - let's say to the 2nd of December, 2012, then you will remap normally and not use your bonus remap.



Firstly: BEST. GIFT. EVER. Thank you awesomely much!!!!

Forgive me if I am a little dense but I am planning my next year in Eve meticulously.

I have 2 remaps available at the moment, hopefully three with the bonus.

I'd like to remap to Int/Per on or about 1 February and then to Mem/Cha in about September. (That uses two remaps.) Will I be able to use the last remap in about March 2013?

DID I MENTION BEST GIFT EVER LIKE EVER!!!! THANKS AGAIN!
Rixiu
PonyTek
#45 - 2011-12-14 16:57:55 UTC
CCP Pleognost wrote:
*snip*


Or stop giving out free remaps. Problem solved.
Neo Agricola
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2011-12-14 17:00:32 UTC
Rixiu wrote:
CCP Pleognost wrote:
*snip*


Or stop giving out free remaps. Problem solved.

You must be german. Always something to complain... ^^

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CCP Pleognost
C C P
C C P Alliance
#47 - 2011-12-14 17:00:35 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Pleognost
Tasha Ashton wrote:

Firstly: BEST. GIFT. EVER. Thank you awesomely much!!!!

Forgive me if I am a little dense but I am planning my next year in Eve meticulously.

I have 2 remaps available at the moment, hopefully three with the bonus.

I'd like to remap to Int/Per on or about 1 February and then to Mem/Cha in about September. (That uses two remaps.) Will I be able to use the last remap in about March 2013?

DID I MENTION BEST GIFT EVER LIKE EVER!!!! THANKS AGAIN!


If your UI says that you have 2 remaps available, this means your timer has already expired and you have two bonus remaps. Selecting the neural remapping Christmas gift will give you a third bonus remap.

Assuming you wait until the new code is live (which will be before you receive your neural remap gift), then you will actually be able to remap as planned, and still have two bonus remaps left over:

Your first remap around the 1st of February, 2012, will use your "timed remap". This will set your timer for the 1st of February, 2013. After this first remap, you will still have three bonus remaps.

Your second remap in September 2012 will use up one of your bonus remaps, leaving you with two bonus remaps. Your timer will still expire on the 1st of February, 2013.

Your third remap in March 2013 occurs after your remap timer expires - so it will use your timed remap again! Your timer will be set for March 2014, and you will still have two bonus remaps.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#48 - 2011-12-14 17:03:10 UTC
Ravcharas wrote:
So now we will have two kinds of remaps instead of one? Maybe it's just me but it sounds as if it's gonna be another confusing thing people are going to have to explain to new players.

Why not turn remaps into token items that can be traded on the market, just like plex?


Because it would be trivially easy to create arbitrary quantities of them with buddy invites:

Create new account with buddy invite
Use PLEX to sub new account, get PLEX back for subbing buddy account
Sell the 2 free remaps on the new account
Repeat 2 more times
Use buddy invites from the 3 new accounts to create 9 more accounts
Sell 18 more remap tokens
Etc.

If you allow remaps to be tradeable, you might as well just give everyone 27 in every stat.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Tasha Ashton
Tactical Command Insurgence and Reconnaissance
#49 - 2011-12-14 17:03:35 UTC
Woohooo!

/emote Does the crazy victory happy dance o/ \o o/ \o
Lady Irradiance
Give my 11percent back
#50 - 2011-12-14 17:19:20 UTC
WTB retro-active fix for the remap debacle last time Twisted
Search your backups, you know it to be true
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
#51 - 2011-12-14 17:26:32 UTC
Quick and timely implementation of a good solution on short notice. And on top of that excellent communication.

Not even half a year ago I would have laughed at anybody who would have coupled any of the above with CCP.
Now? Now I smile and would say 'Yes, working as intended don't you think?'.

Thank you CCP, for the wonderful game you made and above all for getting on the right track again. Thank you.

Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
Jaggins
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2011-12-14 17:28:02 UTC
Great news. Great gift!
Testarossa Van Ichijou
United Base Players Inc. - Holdings
#53 - 2011-12-14 17:30:30 UTC
YAY! I love you CCP Guard Big smile

*rushes to claim remap
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#54 - 2011-12-14 17:48:51 UTC
The best gift for me? Seeing how everyone worked that well together! The community reporting some serious problems, the community team and developers quickly pulling together, checking possible solutions, a swift action to prevent further possible disappointments, quick communication and then of course more heavy developer magic, resulting in this fantastic turn around and great result. Seeing all this happen within such a short time and being part of it, this is wonderful.

Thank you.

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer
Maxwell Albritten
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2011-12-14 17:51:25 UTC
Rixiu wrote:
CCP Pleognost wrote:
*snip*


Or stop giving out free remaps. Problem solved.


Well, the problem is already solved...so you want them to what? Unsolve it?
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
#56 - 2011-12-14 18:00:24 UTC
This is pretty amazing. Great turn-around time guys, and I would love to see this kind of CCP presence in the forums more often.

+eleventy billion!
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2011-12-14 18:06:56 UTC
Cheers CCP, very clear and concise and exactly what I was hoping for from the gift. Happy Christmas!
ORCACommander
Obsidian Firelance Technologies
#58 - 2011-12-14 18:20:41 UTC
ok i approve but i already chose remaps from the selection on the first day of gifts before they were taken down. will i still be receiving the new bonus remaps?
Minister of Death
Colossus Enterprises
#59 - 2011-12-14 18:21:17 UTC
Really impressive work on this CCP guys.

My respect for you guys just went way the eff up. Nicely done, much thanks given.
Maldranan
Arma Artificer
#60 - 2011-12-14 18:26:28 UTC
Awesome, thanks to everyone at CCP who made this change so quickly. It's greatly appreciated!